I'm reading a book of classical poems by Arab women, and found this gem from some 1000 years ago:
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I'm reading a book of classical poems by Arab women, and found this gem from some 1000 years ago:
"Leave me alone, you’re not my equal, you’re not a man of the world nor a man of faith, yet you want to own me, you mindless twit."
(by Umm Ja'far bint Ali)
That's it. That's the whole poem.
#poetry #poem #WomensHistory #women #literature #art #bookstodon
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Okay, here's another one:
"A man asked Thawab bint Abdullah al-Hanzaliyya to marry him but she ignored him, and as he persisted she wrote to him:
- Your manhood stretch stands no chance of slipping through my body’s
niche.
So move it away from my body’s door and take it back whence it came."These women were savage
@TarkabarkaHolgy ::runs scanner over poem::
"Captain... the savagery... it's off scale"
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Okay, here's another one:
"A man asked Thawab bint Abdullah al-Hanzaliyya to marry him but she ignored him, and as he persisted she wrote to him:
- Your manhood stretch stands no chance of slipping through my body’s
niche.
So move it away from my body’s door and take it back whence it came."These women were savage
@TarkabarkaHolgy if someone told me that I'd be like:
"Ouch. But hey, respect, thats poetic."
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@TarkabarkaHolgy @nixCraft ftr it's been available, at least US side, for a while, now (2001?). You can get it at places other than Big River, but even Barnes n Noble or BAM should stock it.
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I'm reading a book of classical poems by Arab women, and found this gem from some 1000 years ago:
"Leave me alone, you’re not my equal, you’re not a man of the world nor a man of faith, yet you want to own me, you mindless twit."
(by Umm Ja'far bint Ali)
That's it. That's the whole poem.
#poetry #poem #WomensHistory #women #literature #art #bookstodon
@TarkabarkaHolgy I'd love to hear the untranslated version of that and work it into music TBH.
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@TarkabarkaHolgy That is because women had comprehensive rights in Islam 1400 years ago including property ownership, inheritance and marriage consent. European women didn't get these same rights until the 19th and 20th century. Islam influenced Liberalism. Only in 20th century Europe overtakes Islam and grants more rights to women, which is how we get to today, where the narrative is non Muslim women have more rights, but not long ago, in the recent past, the opposite was true.
@Rastal @TarkabarkaHolgy Men are insecure and need to control everything. Early Christianity and Buddhism also set women as equals. It just gets written out again and again.
Also why the whole Jesus myth bugs me. Instead of knocking up a 12yr old so God could ageplay for a few years doesn't make me believe. If God had incarnated as a woman that men listened to, that might have convinced me, but instead he pandered to the patriarchy and does in every faith.
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@TarkabarkaHolgy I'd love to hear the untranslated version of that and work it into music TBH.
@obscurestar well good news, the book is bilingual
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I'm reading a book of classical poems by Arab women, and found this gem from some 1000 years ago:
"Leave me alone, you’re not my equal, you’re not a man of the world nor a man of faith, yet you want to own me, you mindless twit."
(by Umm Ja'far bint Ali)
That's it. That's the whole poem.
#poetry #poem #WomensHistory #women #literature #art #bookstodon
@TarkabarkaHolgy I need to frame this and give it to my tween daughter. As inspiration, to be clear; I’m pretty sure she has the sentiment down, but maybe she can use tips on how to express it eloquently.
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@TarkabarkaHolgy There's a fine line between poetry and rant, it seems.
@Fischblog
poetant? rantry?
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I'm reading a book of classical poems by Arab women, and found this gem from some 1000 years ago:
"Leave me alone, you’re not my equal, you’re not a man of the world nor a man of faith, yet you want to own me, you mindless twit."
(by Umm Ja'far bint Ali)
That's it. That's the whole poem.
#poetry #poem #WomensHistory #women #literature #art #bookstodon
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I'm reading a book of classical poems by Arab women, and found this gem from some 1000 years ago:
"Leave me alone, you’re not my equal, you’re not a man of the world nor a man of faith, yet you want to own me, you mindless twit."
(by Umm Ja'far bint Ali)
That's it. That's the whole poem.
#poetry #poem #WomensHistory #women #literature #art #bookstodon
@TarkabarkaHolgy 1000 years later, still no notes.
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I'm reading a book of classical poems by Arab women, and found this gem from some 1000 years ago:
"Leave me alone, you’re not my equal, you’re not a man of the world nor a man of faith, yet you want to own me, you mindless twit."
(by Umm Ja'far bint Ali)
That's it. That's the whole poem.
#poetry #poem #WomensHistory #women #literature #art #bookstodon
@TarkabarkaHolgy that poem is fire. What’s the book? I’d love to add it to my list.
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@TarkabarkaHolgy that poem is fire. What’s the book? I’d love to add it to my list.
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It's ironic given the poem that her actual name is missing and she listed in terms of the men in her life. "Umm Ja'afar" meaning "Ja'afar's mother" and "bint Ali" meaning "Ali's daughter"
@gbargoud @TarkabarkaHolgy So THAT is where the pejorative "bint", the British-English slang word for a woman or girl came from.
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I'm reading a book of classical poems by Arab women, and found this gem from some 1000 years ago:
"Leave me alone, you’re not my equal, you’re not a man of the world nor a man of faith, yet you want to own me, you mindless twit."
(by Umm Ja'far bint Ali)
That's it. That's the whole poem.
#poetry #poem #WomensHistory #women #literature #art #bookstodon
y'all I'm really sorry but there has been something making me incredibly tense because NO ONE acknowledges it. A true, real life elephant in the wild!
I'm getting really bint out of shape over the accidental, REALLY unfortunate homophone(?) with some English slang
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@TarkabarkaHolgy @nixCraft ftr it's been available, at least US side, for a while, now (2001?). You can get it at places other than Big River, but even Barnes n Noble or BAM should stock it.
@samuel tänkte på dig här!
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@TarkabarkaHolgy Sooo.... a man of faith CAN own her? Very sus.
She doesn’t say so; it might be a necessary but not sufficient condition.
And being a ‘man of the world’ appears to be just as good a qualification.At a wild guess,* the poet may simply be playing with the common juxtaposition of /dīn/ (faith, religion) and /dunyā/ (world), similar-sounding words with contrasting meanings.
(* — My daughter has the book, so I’ve checked that these are the words used, but I’m not an Arabist.)
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@notyourfanboy @TarkabarkaHolgy Me too. I make “mindless twit” out to be the translation of three words meaning something like weak, foolish, and stubborn. “Twit” sounds like a great choice.
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I'm reading a book of classical poems by Arab women, and found this gem from some 1000 years ago:
"Leave me alone, you’re not my equal, you’re not a man of the world nor a man of faith, yet you want to own me, you mindless twit."
(by Umm Ja'far bint Ali)
That's it. That's the whole poem.
#poetry #poem #WomensHistory #women #literature #art #bookstodon
@TarkabarkaHolgy Who would print or write that in nice arabic calligraphy? For a fee, of course.
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@notyourfanboy @TarkabarkaHolgy Me too. I make “mindless twit” out to be the translation of three words meaning something like weak, foolish, and stubborn. “Twit” sounds like a great choice.
@noctuaminervae @notyourfanboy @TarkabarkaHolgy I suspect it's a good translation choice because I immediately knew which kind of That Guy she's referring to.
