I dunno, *can* we build #European alternatives to #Facebook and co?
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@hpod16 @briankrebs The ActivityPub fediverse will not be an alternative to Facebook until it has nuanced privacy controls. At the moment, unless you lock down your followers, effectively going dark to people not preapproved, your posts are effectively public. Which works fine when it’s a small cozy network of kind, thoughtful people, but as soon as the general public start using it, posting anything personal will start to have negative consequences.
@acb@mastodon.social that only if you rely on Mastodon as an access, there are other and better services.
Most of them do not want to know.
Misskey, Sharkey, Hubzilla, Friendica, etc. are the ways
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@hpod16 I don't understand this question. The actual THING is stupidly easy to make. Hell, I was often impressed with how weirdly primitive Facebook is, given when it exists. (Some earlier platforms were much more sophisticated.) The thing itself is easy to do. It's the PEOPLE USING IT and how it's managed that make the difference, and that's been done many times and can be done again.
Just make something and see who shows up, and try not to let it get out of hand. Why is this even an issue?
@wesdym@mastodon.social This Facebook ‘alternative’ helped build the Fediverse and has been part of it from the very beginning. It’s called Friendica.
It’s just that the Mastodon fanboys don’t want to promote it, just like they don’t promote the many other services such as Loops, Pixelfed, Vernisage, etc.
After all, it’s competition for Mastodon, which operates as a company within the Fediverse and does corporate things.
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@HaraldKi
In this case it's a rhetorical question, to show that we are promoting Mastodon as an alternative.@hpod16@eupolicy.social @HaraldKi@nrw.social
Recommend the whole Fediverse, not just the service with the tightest restrictions.
https://fediversum.info/ gives a brief overview of what’s available here.
Among the features that might be useful: closed groups (real groups, not the pseudo ones on Mastodon), user management, differentiated permissions, etc.
All of these have been around in the Fediverse for ages, just not on Mastodon -
Aaaaand did you see this sentence in the EU open source strategy published yesterday?
Link: https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/library/communication-european-tech-sovereignty-accompanied-eu-open-source-strategy@hpod16 yes, I sure did. For a moment some time ago there was talk that the open source strategy would be less pronounced. But this direct reference to decentralized social media, and building out on mastodon is beyond expectations again. Nice!
PS. I maintain the 3 fediverse-related delightful lists that give a good overview of how many ActivityPub based open source projects already exist. See: https://delightful.coding.social
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I dunno, *can* we build #European alternatives to #Facebook and co?
The #EU community managers are at it again with promoting the EU instance on #Mastodon!PS: the community management team (that's my team) are up for an award. Any chance you'd give us a vote? Project 32 on this link: https://enonet.eu/survey/index.php/227332?lang=en
@hpod16
Each of the commercial platforms has 2 sides, behaving like a semi-transparent mirror. There is the side we can see and where we communicate. Technically speaking, this is trivial.
The other side, which can not be seen by us, is the side where the money circulates, where companies and political forces pay for what is deliberately shown to us.
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I dunno, *can* we build #European alternatives to #Facebook and co?
The #EU community managers are at it again with promoting the EU instance on #Mastodon!PS: the community management team (that's my team) are up for an award. Any chance you'd give us a vote? Project 32 on this link: https://enonet.eu/survey/index.php/227332?lang=en
@hpod16 I think the better question is *should* we?
I don't really see Europe trying to build its own copies of exploitative monopolies as a good thing.
We might want something that fulfills the same purpose for communities, but I'd prefer to skip the dark patterns inherent in those platforms.
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@pa27 People over 40 still use Facebook thanks to two specific features: events and groups. Local groups, in particular, are an important way to find news about their town and to identify local buying and selling deals.
Some still use Messenger, but it's not a determining factor. The messaging system, however, is crucial for those who use Instagram, which now relies solely on passively viewing reels and actively writing messages to their contacts.@informapirata @hpod16 Most people I know are over 40... And none use it! YMMV!
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I dunno, *can* we build #European alternatives to #Facebook and co?
The #EU community managers are at it again with promoting the EU instance on #Mastodon!PS: the community management team (that's my team) are up for an award. Any chance you'd give us a vote? Project 32 on this link: https://enonet.eu/survey/index.php/227332?lang=en
@hpod16@eupolicy.social
Directed at the top poster in the screenshot: Dear rando-bro-on-the-internet - you are pointing at your elbow saying it's your arse. The question is not "can we" but "why should we want to?" -
I dunno, *can* we build #European alternatives to #Facebook and co?
The #EU community managers are at it again with promoting the EU instance on #Mastodon!PS: the community management team (that's my team) are up for an award. Any chance you'd give us a vote? Project 32 on this link: https://enonet.eu/survey/index.php/227332?lang=en
@hpod16 the tech is already there and has been for a while, achieving widespread adoption is the difficulty
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I dunno, *can* we build #European alternatives to #Facebook and co?
The #EU community managers are at it again with promoting the EU instance on #Mastodon!PS: the community management team (that's my team) are up for an award. Any chance you'd give us a vote? Project 32 on this link: https://enonet.eu/survey/index.php/227332?lang=en
@hpod16 why would anybody want a European Facebook?
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I dunno, *can* we build #European alternatives to #Facebook and co?
The #EU community managers are at it again with promoting the EU instance on #Mastodon!PS: the community management team (that's my team) are up for an award. Any chance you'd give us a vote? Project 32 on this link: https://enonet.eu/survey/index.php/227332?lang=en
@hpod16 Ooof, so many AI slop projects on that list
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I dunno, *can* we build #European alternatives to #Facebook and co?
The #EU community managers are at it again with promoting the EU instance on #Mastodon!PS: the community management team (that's my team) are up for an award. Any chance you'd give us a vote? Project 32 on this link: https://enonet.eu/survey/index.php/227332?lang=en
@hpod16 Done
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@hpod16
Each of the commercial platforms has 2 sides, behaving like a semi-transparent mirror. There is the side we can see and where we communicate. Technically speaking, this is trivial.
The other side, which can not be seen by us, is the side where the money circulates, where companies and political forces pay for what is deliberately shown to us.
We must not implement the other side.Please please please choose to implement services that promote social good, not fund billionaires and their fascist motives!
Surely we do NOT want clones of today's toxic, ad funded addictive platforms?
I suggest that means separating commercial concerns like 'reach' from the social space entirely. Focus on safety and interpersonal communications features.
Advertising / political PR should live in other mass media spaces. Not here!
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I dunno, *can* we build #European alternatives to #Facebook and co?
The #EU community managers are at it again with promoting the EU instance on #Mastodon!PS: the community management team (that's my team) are up for an award. Any chance you'd give us a vote? Project 32 on this link: https://enonet.eu/survey/index.php/227332?lang=en
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I dunno, *can* we build #European alternatives to #Facebook and co?
The #EU community managers are at it again with promoting the EU instance on #Mastodon!PS: the community management team (that's my team) are up for an award. Any chance you'd give us a vote? Project 32 on this link: https://enonet.eu/survey/index.php/227332?lang=en
@hpod16 #Mastodon is quite a good start, but it's not "the Fediverse"! If you look for something like #Facebook please see #Friendica.
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Aaaaand did you see this sentence in the EU open source strategy published yesterday?
Link: https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/library/communication-european-tech-sovereignty-accompanied-eu-open-source-strategy@hpod16 @smallcircles "The Union's social media presence shall be limited exclusively to platforms following a purple color scheme"? What. Did. You. Do?!
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@hpod16 @smallcircles "The Union's social media presence shall be limited exclusively to platforms following a purple color scheme"? What. Did. You. Do?!
@TimothyRoes @smallcircles
Hahahaha that's my ultimate plan!The final goal: turn the EU flag from blue to purple!
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Please please please choose to implement services that promote social good, not fund billionaires and their fascist motives!
Surely we do NOT want clones of today's toxic, ad funded addictive platforms?
I suggest that means separating commercial concerns like 'reach' from the social space entirely. Focus on safety and interpersonal communications features.
Advertising / political PR should live in other mass media spaces. Not here!
@Slash909uk @hpod16
I'm afraid, nobody in the EU is interested in cheap and simple communication services able to fulfill the needs of millions from a home server. There must be a fortune to gain for someone.
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@hpod16 @smallcircles "The Union's social media presence shall be limited exclusively to platforms following a purple color scheme"? What. Did. You. Do?!
I assume you refer to how in communication references to "mastodon" are made?
There's indeed something problematic in that, about which I've been posting a lot and also blogged about: the app-centric nature of the current fediverse, and the re-centralization forces this sets in motion.
See e.g. https://coding.social/blog/grassroots-evolution/#challenges-of-standardization
Mastodon is a brand. A platform and product that targets the fediverse to offer Microblogging services. The way it is used puts it on a pedestal, makes it more prominent than other microblogging apps like #GoToSocial, #Pleroma, and many other alternatives. But it is the social network as a whole that counts, not individual service provider players.
The word #Mastodon is overused in too broad meaning, similar to how people say "I'll google it" when they want to do an internet search. It sells alternatives short, like DuckDuckGo or Kagi. Some people don't even know about fediverse and say "Join mastodon" when they mean "Join the decentralized web".
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I assume you refer to how in communication references to "mastodon" are made?
There's indeed something problematic in that, about which I've been posting a lot and also blogged about: the app-centric nature of the current fediverse, and the re-centralization forces this sets in motion.
See e.g. https://coding.social/blog/grassroots-evolution/#challenges-of-standardization
Mastodon is a brand. A platform and product that targets the fediverse to offer Microblogging services. The way it is used puts it on a pedestal, makes it more prominent than other microblogging apps like #GoToSocial, #Pleroma, and many other alternatives. But it is the social network as a whole that counts, not individual service provider players.
The word #Mastodon is overused in too broad meaning, similar to how people say "I'll google it" when they want to do an internet search. It sells alternatives short, like DuckDuckGo or Kagi. Some people don't even know about fediverse and say "Join mastodon" when they mean "Join the decentralized web".
@smallcircles @hpod16 We were just just joking because her favorite color is purple!
