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When USSR was crumbling, factories were also paying workers in products they manufactured.

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  • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

    RE: https://mas.to/@trendsbot/116211553284922724

    When USSR was crumbling, factories were also paying workers in products they manufactured.

    This is AI bubble companies trying to print own money. Printing your own money only works if you find a way to make it necessary. That's what taxes do, for example (recommended reading: David Graeber's "Debt").

    Here:

    πŸ‘‰ "printing money" part is paying employees in tokens

    πŸ‘‰ "taxes" part is requiring employees to use AI in their day to day work (thus making tokens necessary)

    #AI

    faithinbones@mastodon.socialF This user is from outside of this forum
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    @rysiek anyone who doesn't take cash is a fool

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    • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

      RE: https://mas.to/@trendsbot/116211553284922724

      When USSR was crumbling, factories were also paying workers in products they manufactured.

      This is AI bubble companies trying to print own money. Printing your own money only works if you find a way to make it necessary. That's what taxes do, for example (recommended reading: David Graeber's "Debt").

      Here:

      πŸ‘‰ "printing money" part is paying employees in tokens

      πŸ‘‰ "taxes" part is requiring employees to use AI in their day to day work (thus making tokens necessary)

      #AI

      ohir@social.vivaldi.netO This user is from outside of this forum
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      ohir@social.vivaldi.net
      wrote last edited by
      #43

      @rysiek
      So, all they need is to make an bio implant in the serfs arm with a nice display of how many tokens a person has left. If this counter went to zero, so is the serf''s life...

      Those crooks are all into sci-fi just they want to rewrite endings from sad to happy.

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      • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

        @OctaviaConAmore yup, I mention company towns a bit later in the thread.

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        #44

        @rysiek oops, sorry 'bout that gonna go properly read the rest of the thread now before nodding off

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        • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

          @davidgerard oh good. Looking forward to reading about it!

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          @rysiek this is fuckin nuts, play from 20:50 https://youtu.be/aYn8VKW6vXA?t=1250

          "just making up a huge number"

          also, theo von's cap conceals an extra cock and balls

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          • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

            RE: https://mas.to/@trendsbot/116211553284922724

            When USSR was crumbling, factories were also paying workers in products they manufactured.

            This is AI bubble companies trying to print own money. Printing your own money only works if you find a way to make it necessary. That's what taxes do, for example (recommended reading: David Graeber's "Debt").

            Here:

            πŸ‘‰ "printing money" part is paying employees in tokens

            πŸ‘‰ "taxes" part is requiring employees to use AI in their day to day work (thus making tokens necessary)

            #AI

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            wrote last edited by
            #46

            @rysiek That sounds similar to ye olde miners having to spend most of their salary to buy their equipment at the company store.

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              #47

              @montar @rysiek The main product of soviet factories often wasn't actual useful products, but jobs.

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              • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

                What I'm saying is: unionize. ✊

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                @rysiek

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                • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

                  RE: https://mas.to/@trendsbot/116211553284922724

                  When USSR was crumbling, factories were also paying workers in products they manufactured.

                  This is AI bubble companies trying to print own money. Printing your own money only works if you find a way to make it necessary. That's what taxes do, for example (recommended reading: David Graeber's "Debt").

                  Here:

                  πŸ‘‰ "printing money" part is paying employees in tokens

                  πŸ‘‰ "taxes" part is requiring employees to use AI in their day to day work (thus making tokens necessary)

                  #AI

                  riley@toot.catR This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #49

                  @rysiek So, you're suggesting that they set up company towns where one could buy overpriced nutrition slop with tokens

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                  • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

                    RE: https://mas.to/@trendsbot/116211553284922724

                    When USSR was crumbling, factories were also paying workers in products they manufactured.

                    This is AI bubble companies trying to print own money. Printing your own money only works if you find a way to make it necessary. That's what taxes do, for example (recommended reading: David Graeber's "Debt").

                    Here:

                    πŸ‘‰ "printing money" part is paying employees in tokens

                    πŸ‘‰ "taxes" part is requiring employees to use AI in their day to day work (thus making tokens necessary)

                    #AI

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                    @rysiek I work for an AI company and if it tried this, I'd look for a new gig. This is even less useful than free snacksβ€”those are at least good for empty calories. Just pay me money for my labor. I'm not here for the decor.

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                    • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

                      RE: https://mas.to/@trendsbot/116211553284922724

                      When USSR was crumbling, factories were also paying workers in products they manufactured.

                      This is AI bubble companies trying to print own money. Printing your own money only works if you find a way to make it necessary. That's what taxes do, for example (recommended reading: David Graeber's "Debt").

                      Here:

                      πŸ‘‰ "printing money" part is paying employees in tokens

                      πŸ‘‰ "taxes" part is requiring employees to use AI in their day to day work (thus making tokens necessary)

                      #AI

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                      @rysiek @trendsbot how much tokens for a food?

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                      • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

                        RE: https://mas.to/@trendsbot/116211553284922724

                        When USSR was crumbling, factories were also paying workers in products they manufactured.

                        This is AI bubble companies trying to print own money. Printing your own money only works if you find a way to make it necessary. That's what taxes do, for example (recommended reading: David Graeber's "Debt").

                        Here:

                        πŸ‘‰ "printing money" part is paying employees in tokens

                        πŸ‘‰ "taxes" part is requiring employees to use AI in their day to day work (thus making tokens necessary)

                        #AI

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                        #52

                        @rysiek After skimming the article I'm kinda torn on this. I think would-be-employees asking about what kind of resources (and quotas) they'll have at the job are fair questions. I think employers trying to frame it as comp is scummy. Your comp package includes 20 cups of coffee per pay period.

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                        • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

                          RE: https://mas.to/@trendsbot/116211553284922724

                          When USSR was crumbling, factories were also paying workers in products they manufactured.

                          This is AI bubble companies trying to print own money. Printing your own money only works if you find a way to make it necessary. That's what taxes do, for example (recommended reading: David Graeber's "Debt").

                          Here:

                          πŸ‘‰ "printing money" part is paying employees in tokens

                          πŸ‘‰ "taxes" part is requiring employees to use AI in their day to day work (thus making tokens necessary)

                          #AI

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                          @rysiek
                          I agree that this is a sign of the impending #aicrash. But your economic analysis seems a little off.

                          These employers are hiring shoemakers. But if you take the job it isn't certain whether there will be any shoemaking tools for you at your workstation.

                          It's just a severely undercapitalised shoe factory.

                          #aibubble #llm #ai

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                          • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

                            @richlv

                            Q: What is it: does not glow and does not fit in one's arse?
                            A: Soviet device to glow inside an arse.

                            But I think @montar's point was more about how stuff produced in those factories was at least ostensibly useful.

                            As in: a washing machine is a useful thing in general, even if a particular washing machine happens to be broken.

                            Which is not really the case with "AI" tokens.

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                            @rysiek @richlv @montar yeah it tends towards moot but I think it's still fair/improvement point that soviet output was theoretically useful, however much it was hammered screws in practice, as opposed to silicon valley which just sorts fails at every level, and can't even be used for parts or scrap.

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                            • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

                              What I'm saying is: unionize. ✊

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                              @rysiek Sadly, my union appears to have bought into the bullshit too. Sigh.

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                              • henryk@chaos.socialH henryk@chaos.social

                                @davidgerard Apropos of nothing. How is Worldcoin doing?

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                                @henryk @davidgerard they call it just β€˜world’ now, and are partnered with Tinder for goodness knows why

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                                • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

                                  RE: https://mas.to/@trendsbot/116211553284922724

                                  When USSR was crumbling, factories were also paying workers in products they manufactured.

                                  This is AI bubble companies trying to print own money. Printing your own money only works if you find a way to make it necessary. That's what taxes do, for example (recommended reading: David Graeber's "Debt").

                                  Here:

                                  πŸ‘‰ "printing money" part is paying employees in tokens

                                  πŸ‘‰ "taxes" part is requiring employees to use AI in their day to day work (thus making tokens necessary)

                                  #AI

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                                  @rysiek The only difference here is that this company scrip is addictive and psychosis inducing

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