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When USSR was crumbling, factories were also paying workers in products they manufactured.

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  • nasaguy@fosstodon.orgN This user is from outside of this forum
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    nasaguy@fosstodon.org
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    @montar @rysiek The main product of soviet factories often wasn't actual useful products, but jobs.

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    • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

      What I'm saying is: unionize. ✊

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      nap@social.coop
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      #48

      @rysiek

      Recommend tech proles fill this out and pick up the phone when the organizer calls.

      https://code-cwa.org/organize

      Feel free to DM if anyone wants advice from another tech prole about going about this.

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      • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

        RE: https://mas.to/@trendsbot/116211553284922724

        When USSR was crumbling, factories were also paying workers in products they manufactured.

        This is AI bubble companies trying to print own money. Printing your own money only works if you find a way to make it necessary. That's what taxes do, for example (recommended reading: David Graeber's "Debt").

        Here:

        👉 "printing money" part is paying employees in tokens

        👉 "taxes" part is requiring employees to use AI in their day to day work (thus making tokens necessary)

        #AI

        riley@toot.catR This user is from outside of this forum
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        riley@toot.cat
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        #49

        @rysiek So, you're suggesting that they set up company towns where one could buy overpriced nutrition slop with tokens

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        • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

          RE: https://mas.to/@trendsbot/116211553284922724

          When USSR was crumbling, factories were also paying workers in products they manufactured.

          This is AI bubble companies trying to print own money. Printing your own money only works if you find a way to make it necessary. That's what taxes do, for example (recommended reading: David Graeber's "Debt").

          Here:

          👉 "printing money" part is paying employees in tokens

          👉 "taxes" part is requiring employees to use AI in their day to day work (thus making tokens necessary)

          #AI

          klausfiend@mstdn.caK This user is from outside of this forum
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          klausfiend@mstdn.ca
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          #50

          @rysiek I work for an AI company and if it tried this, I'd look for a new gig. This is even less useful than free snacks—those are at least good for empty calories. Just pay me money for my labor. I'm not here for the decor.

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          • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

            RE: https://mas.to/@trendsbot/116211553284922724

            When USSR was crumbling, factories were also paying workers in products they manufactured.

            This is AI bubble companies trying to print own money. Printing your own money only works if you find a way to make it necessary. That's what taxes do, for example (recommended reading: David Graeber's "Debt").

            Here:

            👉 "printing money" part is paying employees in tokens

            👉 "taxes" part is requiring employees to use AI in their day to day work (thus making tokens necessary)

            #AI

            mangochutney@social.lolM This user is from outside of this forum
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            mangochutney@social.lol
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            #51

            @rysiek @trendsbot how much tokens for a food?

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            • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

              RE: https://mas.to/@trendsbot/116211553284922724

              When USSR was crumbling, factories were also paying workers in products they manufactured.

              This is AI bubble companies trying to print own money. Printing your own money only works if you find a way to make it necessary. That's what taxes do, for example (recommended reading: David Graeber's "Debt").

              Here:

              👉 "printing money" part is paying employees in tokens

              👉 "taxes" part is requiring employees to use AI in their day to day work (thus making tokens necessary)

              #AI

              dvshkn@social.treehouse.systemsD This user is from outside of this forum
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              dvshkn@social.treehouse.systems
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              #52

              @rysiek After skimming the article I'm kinda torn on this. I think would-be-employees asking about what kind of resources (and quotas) they'll have at the job are fair questions. I think employers trying to frame it as comp is scummy. Your comp package includes 20 cups of coffee per pay period.

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              • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

                RE: https://mas.to/@trendsbot/116211553284922724

                When USSR was crumbling, factories were also paying workers in products they manufactured.

                This is AI bubble companies trying to print own money. Printing your own money only works if you find a way to make it necessary. That's what taxes do, for example (recommended reading: David Graeber's "Debt").

                Here:

                👉 "printing money" part is paying employees in tokens

                👉 "taxes" part is requiring employees to use AI in their day to day work (thus making tokens necessary)

                #AI

                mrundkvist@archaeo.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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                mrundkvist@archaeo.social
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                #53

                @rysiek
                I agree that this is a sign of the impending #aicrash. But your economic analysis seems a little off.

                These employers are hiring shoemakers. But if you take the job it isn't certain whether there will be any shoemaking tools for you at your workstation.

                It's just a severely undercapitalised shoe factory.

                #aibubble #llm #ai

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                • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

                  @richlv

                  Q: What is it: does not glow and does not fit in one's arse?
                  A: Soviet device to glow inside an arse.

                  But I think @montar's point was more about how stuff produced in those factories was at least ostensibly useful.

                  As in: a washing machine is a useful thing in general, even if a particular washing machine happens to be broken.

                  Which is not really the case with "AI" tokens.

                  zbrown@floss.socialZ This user is from outside of this forum
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                  zbrown@floss.social
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                  #54

                  @rysiek @richlv @montar yeah it tends towards moot but I think it's still fair/improvement point that soviet output was theoretically useful, however much it was hammered screws in practice, as opposed to silicon valley which just sorts fails at every level, and can't even be used for parts or scrap.

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                  • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

                    What I'm saying is: unionize. ✊

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                    natkr@hachyderm.io
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                    #55

                    @rysiek Sadly, my union appears to have bought into the bullshit too. Sigh.

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                    • henryk@chaos.socialH henryk@chaos.social

                      @davidgerard Apropos of nothing. How is Worldcoin doing?

                      zbrown@floss.socialZ This user is from outside of this forum
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                      zbrown@floss.social
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                      #56

                      @henryk @davidgerard they call it just ‘world’ now, and are partnered with Tinder for goodness knows why

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                      • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

                        RE: https://mas.to/@trendsbot/116211553284922724

                        When USSR was crumbling, factories were also paying workers in products they manufactured.

                        This is AI bubble companies trying to print own money. Printing your own money only works if you find a way to make it necessary. That's what taxes do, for example (recommended reading: David Graeber's "Debt").

                        Here:

                        👉 "printing money" part is paying employees in tokens

                        👉 "taxes" part is requiring employees to use AI in their day to day work (thus making tokens necessary)

                        #AI

                        seachaint@masto.hackers.townS This user is from outside of this forum
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                        seachaint@masto.hackers.town
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                        #57

                        @rysiek The only difference here is that this company scrip is addictive and psychosis inducing

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