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When USSR was crumbling, factories were also paying workers in products they manufactured.

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  • code_disaster@mastodon.gamedev.placeC code_disaster@mastodon.gamedev.place

    @mu @rysiek Maybe you can eat them. What do tokens taste like?

    rysiek@mstdn.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
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    @code_disaster @mu they taste like anything you can prompt a slop generator to "imagine"

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    • nemo@mas.toN This user is from outside of this forum
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      @rysiek
      @Sfwmson

      I beg your pardon? πŸ€”

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      • octaviaconamore@cutie.cityO octaviaconamore@cutie.city

        @rysiek aside from the whole "maybe your product sucks if you have to force the employees that make it possible to use it" thing, company town behaviour is also maybe not the best sign of a healthy company or economy

        rysiek@mstdn.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
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        @OctaviaConAmore yup, I mention company towns a bit later in the thread.

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        • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

          RE: https://mas.to/@trendsbot/116211553284922724

          When USSR was crumbling, factories were also paying workers in products they manufactured.

          This is AI bubble companies trying to print own money. Printing your own money only works if you find a way to make it necessary. That's what taxes do, for example (recommended reading: David Graeber's "Debt").

          Here:

          πŸ‘‰ "printing money" part is paying employees in tokens

          πŸ‘‰ "taxes" part is requiring employees to use AI in their day to day work (thus making tokens necessary)

          #AI

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          @rysiek @trendsbot scrip has been in USA history quite a bit.

          And using it to compensate wage laborers has been outlawed since 1938.

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          • richlv@mastodon.socialR richlv@mastodon.social

            @rysiek @montar Haha yeah, had forgotten about that one πŸ˜„

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            @rysiek @montar Regarding the edit - yeah, there could be a difference in different meanings of "useful" there.

            Anyway, found another joke πŸ™‚

            Q: What is three stories tall, consumes 20 gallons of diesel an hour, and cuts an apple into three pieces?

            A: A soviet machine designed to cut an apple into four pieces.

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            • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

              RE: https://mas.to/@trendsbot/116211553284922724

              When USSR was crumbling, factories were also paying workers in products they manufactured.

              This is AI bubble companies trying to print own money. Printing your own money only works if you find a way to make it necessary. That's what taxes do, for example (recommended reading: David Graeber's "Debt").

              Here:

              πŸ‘‰ "printing money" part is paying employees in tokens

              πŸ‘‰ "taxes" part is requiring employees to use AI in their day to day work (thus making tokens necessary)

              #AI

              faithinbones@mastodon.socialF This user is from outside of this forum
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              @rysiek anyone who doesn't take cash is a fool

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              • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

                RE: https://mas.to/@trendsbot/116211553284922724

                When USSR was crumbling, factories were also paying workers in products they manufactured.

                This is AI bubble companies trying to print own money. Printing your own money only works if you find a way to make it necessary. That's what taxes do, for example (recommended reading: David Graeber's "Debt").

                Here:

                πŸ‘‰ "printing money" part is paying employees in tokens

                πŸ‘‰ "taxes" part is requiring employees to use AI in their day to day work (thus making tokens necessary)

                #AI

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                @rysiek
                So, all they need is to make an bio implant in the serfs arm with a nice display of how many tokens a person has left. If this counter went to zero, so is the serf''s life...

                Those crooks are all into sci-fi just they want to rewrite endings from sad to happy.

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                • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

                  @OctaviaConAmore yup, I mention company towns a bit later in the thread.

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                  @rysiek oops, sorry 'bout that gonna go properly read the rest of the thread now before nodding off

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                  • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

                    @davidgerard oh good. Looking forward to reading about it!

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                    @rysiek this is fuckin nuts, play from 20:50 https://youtu.be/aYn8VKW6vXA?t=1250

                    "just making up a huge number"

                    also, theo von's cap conceals an extra cock and balls

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                    • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

                      RE: https://mas.to/@trendsbot/116211553284922724

                      When USSR was crumbling, factories were also paying workers in products they manufactured.

                      This is AI bubble companies trying to print own money. Printing your own money only works if you find a way to make it necessary. That's what taxes do, for example (recommended reading: David Graeber's "Debt").

                      Here:

                      πŸ‘‰ "printing money" part is paying employees in tokens

                      πŸ‘‰ "taxes" part is requiring employees to use AI in their day to day work (thus making tokens necessary)

                      #AI

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                      @rysiek That sounds similar to ye olde miners having to spend most of their salary to buy their equipment at the company store.

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                        @montar @rysiek The main product of soviet factories often wasn't actual useful products, but jobs.

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                        • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

                          What I'm saying is: unionize. ✊

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                          @rysiek

                          Recommend tech proles fill this out and pick up the phone when the organizer calls.

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                          Feel free to DM if anyone wants advice from another tech prole about going about this.

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                          • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

                            RE: https://mas.to/@trendsbot/116211553284922724

                            When USSR was crumbling, factories were also paying workers in products they manufactured.

                            This is AI bubble companies trying to print own money. Printing your own money only works if you find a way to make it necessary. That's what taxes do, for example (recommended reading: David Graeber's "Debt").

                            Here:

                            πŸ‘‰ "printing money" part is paying employees in tokens

                            πŸ‘‰ "taxes" part is requiring employees to use AI in their day to day work (thus making tokens necessary)

                            #AI

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                            @rysiek So, you're suggesting that they set up company towns where one could buy overpriced nutrition slop with tokens

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                            • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

                              RE: https://mas.to/@trendsbot/116211553284922724

                              When USSR was crumbling, factories were also paying workers in products they manufactured.

                              This is AI bubble companies trying to print own money. Printing your own money only works if you find a way to make it necessary. That's what taxes do, for example (recommended reading: David Graeber's "Debt").

                              Here:

                              πŸ‘‰ "printing money" part is paying employees in tokens

                              πŸ‘‰ "taxes" part is requiring employees to use AI in their day to day work (thus making tokens necessary)

                              #AI

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                              @rysiek I work for an AI company and if it tried this, I'd look for a new gig. This is even less useful than free snacksβ€”those are at least good for empty calories. Just pay me money for my labor. I'm not here for the decor.

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                              • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

                                RE: https://mas.to/@trendsbot/116211553284922724

                                When USSR was crumbling, factories were also paying workers in products they manufactured.

                                This is AI bubble companies trying to print own money. Printing your own money only works if you find a way to make it necessary. That's what taxes do, for example (recommended reading: David Graeber's "Debt").

                                Here:

                                πŸ‘‰ "printing money" part is paying employees in tokens

                                πŸ‘‰ "taxes" part is requiring employees to use AI in their day to day work (thus making tokens necessary)

                                #AI

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                                @rysiek @trendsbot how much tokens for a food?

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                                • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

                                  RE: https://mas.to/@trendsbot/116211553284922724

                                  When USSR was crumbling, factories were also paying workers in products they manufactured.

                                  This is AI bubble companies trying to print own money. Printing your own money only works if you find a way to make it necessary. That's what taxes do, for example (recommended reading: David Graeber's "Debt").

                                  Here:

                                  πŸ‘‰ "printing money" part is paying employees in tokens

                                  πŸ‘‰ "taxes" part is requiring employees to use AI in their day to day work (thus making tokens necessary)

                                  #AI

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                                  @rysiek After skimming the article I'm kinda torn on this. I think would-be-employees asking about what kind of resources (and quotas) they'll have at the job are fair questions. I think employers trying to frame it as comp is scummy. Your comp package includes 20 cups of coffee per pay period.

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                                  • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

                                    RE: https://mas.to/@trendsbot/116211553284922724

                                    When USSR was crumbling, factories were also paying workers in products they manufactured.

                                    This is AI bubble companies trying to print own money. Printing your own money only works if you find a way to make it necessary. That's what taxes do, for example (recommended reading: David Graeber's "Debt").

                                    Here:

                                    πŸ‘‰ "printing money" part is paying employees in tokens

                                    πŸ‘‰ "taxes" part is requiring employees to use AI in their day to day work (thus making tokens necessary)

                                    #AI

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                                    #53

                                    @rysiek
                                    I agree that this is a sign of the impending #aicrash. But your economic analysis seems a little off.

                                    These employers are hiring shoemakers. But if you take the job it isn't certain whether there will be any shoemaking tools for you at your workstation.

                                    It's just a severely undercapitalised shoe factory.

                                    #aibubble #llm #ai

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                                    • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

                                      @richlv

                                      Q: What is it: does not glow and does not fit in one's arse?
                                      A: Soviet device to glow inside an arse.

                                      But I think @montar's point was more about how stuff produced in those factories was at least ostensibly useful.

                                      As in: a washing machine is a useful thing in general, even if a particular washing machine happens to be broken.

                                      Which is not really the case with "AI" tokens.

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                                      @rysiek @richlv @montar yeah it tends towards moot but I think it's still fair/improvement point that soviet output was theoretically useful, however much it was hammered screws in practice, as opposed to silicon valley which just sorts fails at every level, and can't even be used for parts or scrap.

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                                      • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

                                        What I'm saying is: unionize. ✊

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                                        @rysiek Sadly, my union appears to have bought into the bullshit too. Sigh.

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                                        • henryk@chaos.socialH henryk@chaos.social

                                          @davidgerard Apropos of nothing. How is Worldcoin doing?

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                                          @henryk @davidgerard they call it just β€˜world’ now, and are partnered with Tinder for goodness knows why

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