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New study by the National Bureau of Economic Research: A survey of 6000 CFOs, CEOS throughout US, Europe, UK and Australia comes to the conclusion that businesses predict that "AI" will improve productivity by a whopping 1.4%.

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  • amorpheus@kind.socialA amorpheus@kind.social

    @tante The current purpose of AI goes beyond economics.

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    @Amorpheus @tante That may very well be, but it is much harder to measure.

    This result alone is the nail on the coffin of scaling, because in order to offset the investment frenzy, not even ~10% net gains would be enough. And there is not even a *hint* that this'd be true for edge cases such as coding where arguably one could *assume* some real gains to be found.

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    • nakob@anarchism.spaceN nakob@anarchism.space

      @tante Does this include the 100% productivity gains that electricity companies will have due to AI? 🤔

      ftranschel@norden.socialF This user is from outside of this forum
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      @nakob @tante Productivity != profitability.

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      • ftranschel@norden.socialF ftranschel@norden.social

        @Amorpheus @tante That may very well be, but it is much harder to measure.

        This result alone is the nail on the coffin of scaling, because in order to offset the investment frenzy, not even ~10% net gains would be enough. And there is not even a *hint* that this'd be true for edge cases such as coding where arguably one could *assume* some real gains to be found.

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        @ftranschel @tante Yet knowing that ai is not profitable enough to legitimize the effort, they all continue their agenda. I wonder why. 🤔

        Are they stupid or do they see revenue where the market does not?

        Now this is just a thought, not a conviction...

        If the current ai hype proceeds, it will become an unvaluable tool for worldwide surveilance and oppression.

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        • nilz@norden.socialN nilz@norden.social

          @stockach @tante

          I still hear that "we must learn how to use it right" , that AI keeps getting better and better but the organisations learning curve is too slow. Go visit a prompting seminar!

          Ha ha 🤡

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          @nilz @stockach @tante Is a “prompting seminar” like a visit to an “untherapist” (where you shout loudly and randomly at passers by that you are perfectly fine)

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          • amorpheus@kind.socialA amorpheus@kind.social

            @ftranschel @tante Yet knowing that ai is not profitable enough to legitimize the effort, they all continue their agenda. I wonder why. 🤔

            Are they stupid or do they see revenue where the market does not?

            Now this is just a thought, not a conviction...

            If the current ai hype proceeds, it will become an unvaluable tool for worldwide surveilance and oppression.

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            @Amorpheus @tante

            Conspiracies aside: In a bubble market, it *is* possible to transfer wealth even if there is *none* in the long run.

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            • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

              New study by the National Bureau of Economic Research: A survey of 6000 CFOs, CEOS throughout US, Europe, UK and Australia comes to the conclusion that businesses predict that "AI" will improve productivity by a whopping 1.4%. Truly earth shattering.

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              @tante And yet "Despite $30–40 billion in enterprise investment into GenAI, this report uncovers a surprising result in that 95% of organizations are getting zero return." From an MIT study on the outcome of AI projects. https://mlq.ai/media/quarterly_decks/v0.1_State_of_AI_in_Business_2025_Report.pdf

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              • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                New study by the National Bureau of Economic Research: A survey of 6000 CFOs, CEOS throughout US, Europe, UK and Australia comes to the conclusion that businesses predict that "AI" will improve productivity by a whopping 1.4%. Truly earth shattering.

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                @tante I guess this already small increase mostly comes from people working longer working hours now because of the bosses' high expectations when introducing "#AI" tools.

                Also see this related news: https://techcrunch.com/2026/02/09/the-first-signs-of-burnout-are-coming-from-the-people-who-embrace-ai-the-most/

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                • rainer_rehak@mastodon.bits-und-baeume.orgR rainer_rehak@mastodon.bits-und-baeume.org

                  @tante I guess this already small increase mostly comes from people working longer working hours now because of the bosses' high expectations when introducing "#AI" tools.

                  Also see this related news: https://techcrunch.com/2026/02/09/the-first-signs-of-burnout-are-coming-from-the-people-who-embrace-ai-the-most/

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                  @Rainer_Rehak Might be. Right now about half is just "firing people" (which then gets the rest to do what you described) and the hope for very marginal output increases.

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                  • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                    @q you can check out the results and comments. What do you think the researchers did wrong? Did the CEOs lie?

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                    @tante @q this. It's a survey that asked for their opinions (partially). The CEOs and CFOs and other C-suite execs in these surveys surely have no clue what's going on in the daily life of their employees who have to actually work with all the AI stuff. The C-level guys don't even read their own email but have staff summarising them in PowerPoint's. So I'd say the data basis is very thin here...

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                    • maxheadroom@hub.uckermark.socialM maxheadroom@hub.uckermark.social

                      @tante @q this. It's a survey that asked for their opinions (partially). The CEOs and CFOs and other C-suite execs in these surveys surely have no clue what's going on in the daily life of their employees who have to actually work with all the AI stuff. The C-level guys don't even read their own email but have staff summarising them in PowerPoint's. So I'd say the data basis is very thin here...

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                      @maxheadroom @q they do know (at least for the last years) the numbers: How much OpEx and CapEx are there in contrast to revenue. So They can pretty accurately say what happened in the past without knowing who works how

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                      • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                        @maxheadroom @q they do know (at least for the last years) the numbers: How much OpEx and CapEx are there in contrast to revenue. So They can pretty accurately say what happened in the past without knowing who works how

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                        @tante @q I still question their capacity to relate this to AI one way or the other. Nevertheless, the low value of expected increase is still telling. Given the cost and likely increase in opex by all the users.

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                        • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                          New study by the National Bureau of Economic Research: A survey of 6000 CFOs, CEOS throughout US, Europe, UK and Australia comes to the conclusion that businesses predict that "AI" will improve productivity by a whopping 1.4%. Truly earth shattering.

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                          @tante I'm not really sure why, but the abstract calls this a sizable impact?

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                            New study by the National Bureau of Economic Research: A survey of 6000 CFOs, CEOS throughout US, Europe, UK and Australia comes to the conclusion that businesses predict that "AI" will improve productivity by a whopping 1.4%. Truly earth shattering.

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                            @tante 😴💤.....at a cost of 💲💲🤑💲💲!!

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                            • ftranschel@norden.socialF ftranschel@norden.social

                              @Amorpheus @tante

                              Conspiracies aside: In a bubble market, it *is* possible to transfer wealth even if there is *none* in the long run.

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                              @ftranschel @Amorpheus @tante

                              Petrostate dictators are getting their cash out before a fossil fuel phase out.

                              Just a moment...

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                              https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-11-06/saudis-plan-100-billion-ai-powerhouse-to-rival-uae-s-tech-hub

                              https://www.forbes.com/sites/guneyyildiz/2026/02/14/from-resorts-to-robots-saudi-arabias-100-billion-confession/

                              Like a drug cartel using banks, Silicon Valley gets a cut off the top for projects & data centers that will never be completed.

                              The goal is to launder cash as fast as possible.
                              https://airmail.news/issues/2025-4-5/the-view-from-here

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                              • npars01@mstdn.socialN npars01@mstdn.social

                                @ftranschel @Amorpheus @tante

                                Petrostate dictators are getting their cash out before a fossil fuel phase out.

                                Just a moment...

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                                (www.euractiv.com)

                                https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-11-06/saudis-plan-100-billion-ai-powerhouse-to-rival-uae-s-tech-hub

                                https://www.forbes.com/sites/guneyyildiz/2026/02/14/from-resorts-to-robots-saudi-arabias-100-billion-confession/

                                Like a drug cartel using banks, Silicon Valley gets a cut off the top for projects & data centers that will never be completed.

                                The goal is to launder cash as fast as possible.
                                https://airmail.news/issues/2025-4-5/the-view-from-here

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                                2/

                                Balkan & Italian mafiosos used movies & casinos to launder cash.

                                Russian & Hong Kong oligarchs used the real estate markets to launder their looting.

                                Saudi Arabia is using AI & tech startups.

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                                As President Joe Biden vows to punish Russia with financial sanctions by seizing yachts, mansions and other assets, members of the real estate community and

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                                • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                                  New study by the National Bureau of Economic Research: A survey of 6000 CFOs, CEOS throughout US, Europe, UK and Australia comes to the conclusion that businesses predict that "AI" will improve productivity by a whopping 1.4%. Truly earth shattering.

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                                  @tante I‘d like to see the same study but outlining the CO2 and wider environmental footprint from it.

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                                  • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                                    Oh and most companies report no productivity gains in the last 3 years but that cannot surprise anyone by now.

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                                    @tante
                                    https://fortune.com/2026/02/17/ai-productivity-paradox-ceo-study-robert-solow-information-technology-age/

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                                    • maker@woods.secretbearsociety.orgM maker@woods.secretbearsociety.org

                                      @tante I remember all those headache inducing non sense conversations with directors, C-something dudes, managers when trying to define "software productivity". No one could agree and, despite all good sense and examples, they mostly stuck to the good old "productivity is how many lines of code are written and software is pushed to prod".

                                      None of this includes meaningful software, quality code, user impact, etc. so yes spaghetti code generators will improve a certain definition of productivity

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                                      @Maker @tante

                                      You get more of what you measure. MBAs love their metrics, regardless of results.

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