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  • bitboxer@mastodon.socialB bitboxer@mastodon.social

    You all know that Bandcamp is owned by Songtradr, who gutted it a lot. But don't fret, we have a new and better alternative now. It launched yesterday:

    Vercel Security Checkpoint

    favicon

    (www.subvert.fm)

    It is a #CoOp, so it is not in the hands of big money but in the hands of us, the consumers and creators.

    ✊️

    undefined_variable@mementomori.socialU This user is from outside of this forum
    undefined_variable@mementomori.socialU This user is from outside of this forum
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    #3

    @bitboxer What's your stance on AI-created music? Serious question, no snark intended.

    cort@mastodon.gamedev.placeC 1 Reply Last reply
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    • bitboxer@mastodon.socialB bitboxer@mastodon.social

      You all know that Bandcamp is owned by Songtradr, who gutted it a lot. But don't fret, we have a new and better alternative now. It launched yesterday:

      Vercel Security Checkpoint

      favicon

      (www.subvert.fm)

      It is a #CoOp, so it is not in the hands of big money but in the hands of us, the consumers and creators.

      ✊️

      mason@partychickens.netM This user is from outside of this forum
      mason@partychickens.netM This user is from outside of this forum
      mason@partychickens.net
      wrote last edited by
      #4

      @bitboxer I didn't know it had been gutted. What did they do? If there's reason to avoid it I'd like to know. I went to Bandcamp recently because an artist I follow was there, and it was a way to support them.

      Thanks in advance for sharing the details of what changed and how it impacts artists there.

      mason@partychickens.netM bitboxer@mastodon.socialB 2 Replies Last reply
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      • undefined_variable@mementomori.socialU undefined_variable@mementomori.social

        @bitboxer What's your stance on AI-created music? Serious question, no snark intended.

        cort@mastodon.gamedev.placeC This user is from outside of this forum
        cort@mastodon.gamedev.placeC This user is from outside of this forum
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        #5

        @undefined_variable https://www.subvert.fm/pages/ai-policy

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        • cort@mastodon.gamedev.placeC cort@mastodon.gamedev.place

          @undefined_variable https://www.subvert.fm/pages/ai-policy

          undefined_variable@mementomori.socialU This user is from outside of this forum
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          @cort Thanks, looks promising!

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          • mason@partychickens.netM mason@partychickens.net

            @bitboxer I didn't know it had been gutted. What did they do? If there's reason to avoid it I'd like to know. I went to Bandcamp recently because an artist I follow was there, and it was a way to support them.

            Thanks in advance for sharing the details of what changed and how it impacts artists there.

            mason@partychickens.netM This user is from outside of this forum
            mason@partychickens.netM This user is from outside of this forum
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            #7

            @bitboxer I like Subvert's antislop policy:

            Vercel Security Checkpoint

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            (www.subvert.fm)

            Bandcamp is similar, out of fairness:

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            Bandcamp’s Mission and Our Approach to Generative AI

            We’re articulating our approach to generative AI so musicians can keep making music and fans can trust the music they find on Bandcamp.

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            Bandcamp Updates (blog.bandcamp.com)

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            • mason@partychickens.netM mason@partychickens.net

              @bitboxer I didn't know it had been gutted. What did they do? If there's reason to avoid it I'd like to know. I went to Bandcamp recently because an artist I follow was there, and it was a way to support them.

              Thanks in advance for sharing the details of what changed and how it impacts artists there.

              bitboxer@mastodon.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
              bitboxer@mastodon.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
              bitboxer@mastodon.social
              wrote last edited by
              #8

              @mason When they bought Bandcamp, they removed half the staff. And the journalistic part is completely gone.

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              • bitboxer@mastodon.socialB bitboxer@mastodon.social

                You all know that Bandcamp is owned by Songtradr, who gutted it a lot. But don't fret, we have a new and better alternative now. It launched yesterday:

                Vercel Security Checkpoint

                favicon

                (www.subvert.fm)

                It is a #CoOp, so it is not in the hands of big money but in the hands of us, the consumers and creators.

                ✊️

                nielso@digitalcourage.socialN This user is from outside of this forum
                nielso@digitalcourage.socialN This user is from outside of this forum
                nielso@digitalcourage.social
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                #9

                @bitboxer

                One problem is, also with Mirlo… most non-musician people I know don't even know Bandcamp. I am serious.

                So putting my music on a bunch of even lesser-known platforms in the end will result in exactly… nothing. Except for me having more work. I made below 5€ so far this year from Bandcamp.

                I'm not trying to say that I don't like the idea of a co-op alternative to Bandcamp. But it doesn't make things easier in everyday life.

                Also, Bandcamp and all its larger alternatives are US-based and rely on US-based payment providers. Which might turn out as a problem for the rest of the world.

                torithom@theforkiverse.comT kjv@mastodon.gamedev.placeK bitboxer@mastodon.socialB 3 Replies Last reply
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                • nielso@digitalcourage.socialN nielso@digitalcourage.social

                  @bitboxer

                  One problem is, also with Mirlo… most non-musician people I know don't even know Bandcamp. I am serious.

                  So putting my music on a bunch of even lesser-known platforms in the end will result in exactly… nothing. Except for me having more work. I made below 5€ so far this year from Bandcamp.

                  I'm not trying to say that I don't like the idea of a co-op alternative to Bandcamp. But it doesn't make things easier in everyday life.

                  Also, Bandcamp and all its larger alternatives are US-based and rely on US-based payment providers. Which might turn out as a problem for the rest of the world.

                  torithom@theforkiverse.comT This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #10

                  @nielso @bitboxer I agree. It's so hard to keep up as a musician, and toying up between putting music where most people can find versus supporting the right platforms. Can anyone explain to me if this one is federated like Bandwagon?

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                  • bitboxer@mastodon.socialB bitboxer@mastodon.social

                    You all know that Bandcamp is owned by Songtradr, who gutted it a lot. But don't fret, we have a new and better alternative now. It launched yesterday:

                    Vercel Security Checkpoint

                    favicon

                    (www.subvert.fm)

                    It is a #CoOp, so it is not in the hands of big money but in the hands of us, the consumers and creators.

                    ✊️

                    vorsos@beige.partyV This user is from outside of this forum
                    vorsos@beige.partyV This user is from outside of this forum
                    vorsos@beige.party
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                    #11

                    @bitboxer So far so good. Is the official account still active? https://mastodon.social/@subvertworld

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                    • nielso@digitalcourage.socialN nielso@digitalcourage.social

                      @bitboxer

                      One problem is, also with Mirlo… most non-musician people I know don't even know Bandcamp. I am serious.

                      So putting my music on a bunch of even lesser-known platforms in the end will result in exactly… nothing. Except for me having more work. I made below 5€ so far this year from Bandcamp.

                      I'm not trying to say that I don't like the idea of a co-op alternative to Bandcamp. But it doesn't make things easier in everyday life.

                      Also, Bandcamp and all its larger alternatives are US-based and rely on US-based payment providers. Which might turn out as a problem for the rest of the world.

                      kjv@mastodon.gamedev.placeK This user is from outside of this forum
                      kjv@mastodon.gamedev.placeK This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #12

                      @nielso

                      Curious to know your thoughts on bandwagon. I've been using niche sites like this to find new artists to avoid AI slop

                      https://bandwagon.fm/

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                      • bitboxer@mastodon.socialB bitboxer@mastodon.social

                        You all know that Bandcamp is owned by Songtradr, who gutted it a lot. But don't fret, we have a new and better alternative now. It launched yesterday:

                        Vercel Security Checkpoint

                        favicon

                        (www.subvert.fm)

                        It is a #CoOp, so it is not in the hands of big money but in the hands of us, the consumers and creators.

                        ✊️

                        bitboxer@mastodon.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
                        bitboxer@mastodon.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
                        bitboxer@mastodon.social
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                        #13

                        Since this goes viral:

                        Trans rights are human rights.

                        No human is illegal.

                        🌈

                        safri@mastodontech.deS 1 Reply Last reply
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                        • nielso@digitalcourage.socialN nielso@digitalcourage.social

                          @bitboxer

                          One problem is, also with Mirlo… most non-musician people I know don't even know Bandcamp. I am serious.

                          So putting my music on a bunch of even lesser-known platforms in the end will result in exactly… nothing. Except for me having more work. I made below 5€ so far this year from Bandcamp.

                          I'm not trying to say that I don't like the idea of a co-op alternative to Bandcamp. But it doesn't make things easier in everyday life.

                          Also, Bandcamp and all its larger alternatives are US-based and rely on US-based payment providers. Which might turn out as a problem for the rest of the world.

                          bitboxer@mastodon.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
                          bitboxer@mastodon.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
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                          #14

                          @nielso yes, it is always hard to know where to spent your limited time/energy. I personally would say it all differs depending on your use case.

                          I would post my music at the bigger platforms AND on my private site/Instagram linktree I would have this as no 1 spot with a "buy my music, fairly paid, no money to big corps" message. But I can totally understand why you would choose a different path.

                          At the end it's a hen-and-egg situation. There is no change without us all advertising for it.

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                          • bitboxer@mastodon.socialB bitboxer@mastodon.social

                            You all know that Bandcamp is owned by Songtradr, who gutted it a lot. But don't fret, we have a new and better alternative now. It launched yesterday:

                            Vercel Security Checkpoint

                            favicon

                            (www.subvert.fm)

                            It is a #CoOp, so it is not in the hands of big money but in the hands of us, the consumers and creators.

                            ✊️

                            gimulnautti@mastodon.greenG This user is from outside of this forum
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                            @bitboxer Great stuff! I was looking at this and joining. We have not yet incorporated our label though, will have to make it an official business first. 🤔

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                            • bitboxer@mastodon.socialB bitboxer@mastodon.social

                              Since this goes viral:

                              Trans rights are human rights.

                              No human is illegal.

                              🌈

                              safri@mastodontech.deS This user is from outside of this forum
                              safri@mastodontech.deS This user is from outside of this forum
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                              #16

                              @bitboxer Now that you've become a famous influencer i beg you not to forget your followers from your beginnings.

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                              • bitboxer@mastodon.socialB bitboxer@mastodon.social

                                You all know that Bandcamp is owned by Songtradr, who gutted it a lot. But don't fret, we have a new and better alternative now. It launched yesterday:

                                Vercel Security Checkpoint

                                favicon

                                (www.subvert.fm)

                                It is a #CoOp, so it is not in the hands of big money but in the hands of us, the consumers and creators.

                                ✊️

                                mikehaber@social.coopM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                #17

                                @bitboxer The server is getting hammered, getting errors on new sign up. This is a good thing!

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                                • kjv@mastodon.gamedev.placeK kjv@mastodon.gamedev.place

                                  @nielso

                                  Curious to know your thoughts on bandwagon. I've been using niche sites like this to find new artists to avoid AI slop

                                  https://bandwagon.fm/

                                  nielso@digitalcourage.socialN This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  #18

                                  @kjv

                                  I have one album out there on Bandwagon, and I can't sense any effect. Which doesn't mean there is none.

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                                  • bitboxer@mastodon.socialB bitboxer@mastodon.social

                                    You all know that Bandcamp is owned by Songtradr, who gutted it a lot. But don't fret, we have a new and better alternative now. It launched yesterday:

                                    Vercel Security Checkpoint

                                    favicon

                                    (www.subvert.fm)

                                    It is a #CoOp, so it is not in the hands of big money but in the hands of us, the consumers and creators.

                                    ✊️

                                    andypiper@macaw.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    wrote last edited by
                                    #19

                                    @bitboxer there's also the excellent bandwagon.fm - which is part of the #fediverse FWIW

                                    Exciting to see new options for independent musicians!

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