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  3. i want smaller applications with fewer updates made by people who are paid more to produce less code and i'm not kidding

i want smaller applications with fewer updates made by people who are paid more to produce less code and i'm not kidding

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  • badtux@mastodon.socialB badtux@mastodon.social

    @eniko But then the boss would have fewer people to manage, and be unable to justify his job. Most software changes are about employment for engineers, not necessity. Grr.

    As a software engineer I want computer languages and frameworks that stay stable for decades rather than have a new release every year that obsoletes old programs and requires a rewrite. But I don't get to have that :(.

    #software #softwaredevelopment

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    @badtux @eniko Maybe that's the appeal of VBA? I never made the move from VB6 to VB.net, so no idea how stable that is. VBA seems to keep on trucking as it is.

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    • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

      i want smaller applications with fewer updates made by people who are paid more to produce less code and i'm not kidding

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      @eniko If you are asking for less you are asking too much 😉

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      • me@social.jlamothe.netM me@social.jlamothe.net
        @badtux @eniko I'm so glad I don't typically work in Java.
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        @me @eniko Substitute any other language or framework in large scale use for Java. Go? Rust? JavaScript/TypeScript? Even where the language is stable the frameworks you have to use to get work done are as firm as gelatin.

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        • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

          i want smaller applications with fewer updates made by people who are paid more to produce less code and i'm not kidding

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          @eniko and at the same time, companies hire people who prefer AI, f̶a̶s̶t̶ ̶agile; or as the saying goes, seniors with salary of a junior 🙂

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          • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

            i want smaller applications with fewer updates made by people who are paid more to produce less code and i'm not kidding

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            #47

            @eniko The dream that we deserve!

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            • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

              i want smaller applications with fewer updates made by people who are paid more to produce less code and i'm not kidding

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              @eniko I picked up Tinystart for the Mac by @nileane which is probably exactly the sort of thing you’re after. It’s as useful as Raycast but without all the VC and AI bollocks, and only costs a fiver.

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              • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

                i want smaller applications with fewer updates made by people who are paid more to produce less code and i'm not kidding

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                @eniko I would like fewer apps, please. More websites that function as apps.

                This applies specifically to mobile use. For desktop, let me download everything.

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                • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

                  i want smaller applications with fewer updates made by people who are paid more to produce less code and i'm not kidding

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                  #50

                  @eniko Preach. I want developers to be artisans and craftspeople who build for the ages.

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                  • renardboy@mastodon.socialR renardboy@mastodon.social

                    @eniko Preach. I want developers to be artisans and craftspeople who build for the ages.

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                    @eniko As a matter of fact I want this to be the de facto approach to how we make new things but sometimes when I say this people think I mean stuff like woodworking and blacksmithing which, yes, but also computers, and phones, and bicycles electric and acoustic, and everything else.

                    I want *everything* to be made by people who have cause to take pride in their work.

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                    • badtux@mastodon.socialB badtux@mastodon.social

                      @kirtai @eniko That said the C programs I wrote in the early 90s still compile fine today

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                      @badtux @eniko
                      Yeah, but I've seen some that modern C compilers absolutely hate, such as gnu smalltalk.

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                      • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

                        i want smaller applications with fewer updates made by people who are paid more to produce less code and i'm not kidding

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                        #53

                        @eniko
                        I like small programs and I cannot lie.

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                          @kirtai @me @badtux @eniko b.b..b
                          ..but surely quicksand would make building even quicker? It's in the name, innit? 🤔

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                          • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

                            i want smaller applications with fewer updates made by people who are paid more to produce less code and i'm not kidding

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                            @eniko I want coder teams to be teams again who go Kegeln at the end of the day...

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                            • canleaf@mastodon.socialC canleaf@mastodon.social

                              @eniko I want coder teams to be teams again who go Kegeln at the end of the day...

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                              @eniko And people who actually know what they are doing.

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                              • datarama@hachyderm.ioD datarama@hachyderm.io

                                @daviddoes @eniko Within reasonable limits, I am willing to pay for there to *not* be an app.

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                                @datarama @daviddoes @eniko But don't you want the "better" experience 😄

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                                • svelmoe@hachyderm.ioS svelmoe@hachyderm.io

                                  @datarama @daviddoes @eniko But don't you want the "better" experience 😄

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                                  @svelmoe @daviddoes @eniko If what I'm after is an experience, sure I would!

                                  If what I'm after is a toaster or a washing machine or a lamp, I don't particularly want an "experience".

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                                  • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

                                    i want smaller applications with fewer updates made by people who are paid more to produce less code and i'm not kidding

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                                    @eniko Agreed.

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                                    • datarama@hachyderm.ioD datarama@hachyderm.io

                                      @eniko That, and also I'd want internet-connected applications out of things where they have no sane reason to be.

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                                      @datarama @eniko

                                      100%! Why does my fridge need contacts and calendars?

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                                      • datarama@hachyderm.ioD datarama@hachyderm.io

                                        @daviddoes @eniko Within reasonable limits, I am willing to pay for there to *not* be an app.

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                                        @datarama @daviddoes @eniko I don't because Apps generate extra costs and why should I pay more to save the manufacturer money.

                                        Fuck 'em.

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                                        • badtux@mastodon.socialB badtux@mastodon.social

                                          @eniko But then the boss would have fewer people to manage, and be unable to justify his job. Most software changes are about employment for engineers, not necessity. Grr.

                                          As a software engineer I want computer languages and frameworks that stay stable for decades rather than have a new release every year that obsoletes old programs and requires a rewrite. But I don't get to have that :(.

                                          #software #softwaredevelopment

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                                          #62

                                          @badtux
                                          I think there's enough work refactoring, cleaning up code, fixing old bugs, improving the testsuite, etc. that a same-sized team could do it for years without adding new features.
                                          @eniko

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