It's kind of amazing how many veteran Linux greyhairs I've seen, downstream of the age-check-in-systemd decision, saying well I guess I need to get comfortable with a BSD now.

[miss_rodent@girlcock.club]

@foolishowl @mhoye If sysadministration were easy, it wouldn't be a reasonably-well-paying job with a pile of associated certifications.
Some of the things added to make life easier for non-sysadmin users have made it harder, especially if things you need to change are outside the scope of whatever convenient interface a distro comes with, or if it interacts strongly with the many-tentacled horror of systemd.
It's a skillset that no one has by default & not everyone can be expected to learn.

[wordshaper@weatherishappening.network]

@bentsukun @mhoye Absolutely! A decade and a half of not using AIX is definitely something to celebrate.

[trcm@infosec.exchange]

@mhoye https://www.devuan.org/ is here for you

[bentsukun@mastodon.bsd.cafe]

@wordshaper @mhoye There was this internship in 2001 where I replaced AIX on an obsolete RS/6000 with a hacked up Linux and ran a DNS server on it. That was all the experience I had with AIX.

The RS/6000 has a PowerPC 604e (PReP). At some point, I realized that the office printer *also* had a PPC 604e but a faster one

[miss_rodent@girlcock.club]

@foolishowl @mhoye When linux was only a thing that programmers, system administrators, and other techy types used, the assumption that everyone could/should be their own sysadmin made more sense - everyone could be assumed to have some tech proficiency, b/c if they didn't, they would still be on DOS/windows anyway.
That hasn't been a safe assumption to make about users for ~20 years though, unless you're a distro like slackware or gentoo that is explicitly not aiming at wide general adoption.

[khleedril@cyberplace.social]

@mhoye Greybeards whiffed the smells twenty years ago and knew what was coming. It was just a matter of waiting for what comes around to come around.

[d6@merveilles.town]

@mhoye i'm pleased NetBSD is getting more attention these days.

[gizmomathboy@mastodon.xyz]

@wordshaper @mhoye or HP/UX

[gizmomathboy@mastodon.xyz]

@mhoye we were a solaris shop until we made the switch to Red Hat.

Interesting times

[elilla@transmom.love]

@airshipper @mhoye yeah the latest debian stable isn't even that stable anymore, I've been meaning to return to netbsd for a while now and with generative "AI" in the Linux kernel I——waitaminute did you say age verification in systemd

[airshipper@cloudisland.nz]

@elilla @mhoye running with a hacked systemd what could go wrong

[eigen@mattstodon.panar.ooo]

@mhoye do you have any insight into how the hell the age check even made it a whole hour into Linux in the first place? It's possible I'm being hopelessly naïve here, but I really thought every Linux user/admin/programmer/whoever would've literally rioted in the streets before countenancing anything remotely like it.

[mikestok@mstdn.ca]

@wordshaper @mhoye @algernon AIX had smit. That was a really great idea. I was a big fan of the 6150.

[wordshaper@weatherishappening.network]

@MikeStok @mhoye @algernon AIX had a #pragma in its C++ compiler to raise the default maximum length for a mangled symbol... in case the default 32k was too short. (And don't even get me started about its abomination of a linker)

[mikestok@mstdn.ca]

@wordshaper @mhoye @algernon let me suggest that C++ was the problem A proper OO response would have been to make the symbol table entries an s-expression, but if they had done that we wouldn’t have needed Perl.

[mikestok@mstdn.ca]

@wordshaper @mhoye @algernon the whole idea of binding before run time seems shockingly primitive and premature.

[llorenzin@infosec.exchange]

@mhoye I'm looking seriously at Alpine Linux vs Devuan... We had to rebuild our internal server recently (which had been happily running CentOS 4 for over a decade, we are not power users), and it was a total PITA - systemd is a shitshow even without this age nonsense. I'm too old and too cranky to be excited about learning a new distro, but here I am.

[ferricoxide@blahaj.zone]

@mhoye@cosocial.ca

Unfortunately, my customers are all on ELx and likely to remain that way for their non-containerized workloads (compliance requirements). I need to stay "in practice" so, moving off Linux is, effectively, a non-option for me (basically why, back in my Solaris admin days, I use Solaris x86 and OpenSolaris at home).

Maybe once I retire.

[waffles@masto.yttrx.com]

@llorenzin @mhoye hahahaha I was on the “operating systems” team at my work when we did the fleet upgrade from centos 5 to 6. Getting several million servers moved from artisanal bash script to systemd was a lot of fun and everyone was so pissed about having to upgrade

But we were starting to mandate cgroup hierarchies so away we went.

[ferricoxide@blahaj.zone]

@llorenzin@infosec.exchange @mhoye@cosocial.ca

Recently had to update because y'all were running an OS that EOLed nearly a decade and a half ago. Lulz.