<![CDATA[It's kind of amazing how many veteran Linux greyhairs I've seen, downstream of the age-check-in-systemd decision, saying well I guess I need to get comfortable with a BSD now.]]>It's kind of amazing how many veteran Linux greyhairs I've seen, downstream of the age-check-in-systemd decision, saying well I guess I need to get comfortable with a BSD now. Thirty plus years of deep-grooved Debian/RedHat muscle memory to a one, quietly tidying up and looking for the exits.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/topic/bef6178a-f128-4c43-9450-51e1fb5e1bcf/it-s-kind-of-amazing-how-many-veteran-linux-greyhairs-i-ve-seen-downstream-of-the-age-check-in-systemd-decision-saying-well-i-guess-i-need-to-get-comfortable-with-a-bsd-now.RSS for NodeFri, 15 May 2026 03:45:07 GMTWed, 06 May 2026 18:26:11 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to It's kind of amazing how many veteran Linux greyhairs I've seen, downstream of the age-check-in-systemd decision, saying well I guess I need to get comfortable with a BSD now. on Thu, 07 May 2026 02:24:13 GMT]]>@mhoye

I'm not leaving Linux, but I am leaving systemd. I've been in the process, slowly, for quite some time, but took some real concrete steps more recently. Then the systemd age field BS popped up and erased any remaining doubts I had.

So, unless Debian brings back a non-systemd option, I'll be switching the remainder of my machines to Devuan.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mindly.social/users/cazabon/statuses/116530915152155655https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mindly.social/users/cazabon/statuses/116530915152155655Thu, 07 May 2026 02:24:13 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to It's kind of amazing how many veteran Linux greyhairs I've seen, downstream of the age-check-in-systemd decision, saying well I guess I need to get comfortable with a BSD now. on Thu, 07 May 2026 02:23:37 GMT]]>@navi @mhoye @mcc @mason @lispi314 hurd is going genai https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-hurd/2026-02/msg00133.html

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/ryanprior/statuses/116530912813356695https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/ryanprior/statuses/116530912813356695Thu, 07 May 2026 02:23:37 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to It's kind of amazing how many veteran Linux greyhairs I've seen, downstream of the age-check-in-systemd decision, saying well I guess I need to get comfortable with a BSD now. on Thu, 07 May 2026 01:51:46 GMT]]>@navi @mhoye @mcc @mason @lispi314 I need to return to checking out Guix as more of a daily-driver (and Shepherd seems neat) but I'm too busy messing around in Plan 9 😅

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/rooneymcnibnug/statuses/116530787528382318https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/rooneymcnibnug/statuses/116530787528382318Thu, 07 May 2026 01:51:46 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to It's kind of amazing how many veteran Linux greyhairs I've seen, downstream of the age-check-in-systemd decision, saying well I guess I need to get comfortable with a BSD now. on Thu, 07 May 2026 01:48:52 GMT]]>@lispi314 @mhoye @mcc @mason

gentoo is currently also experimenting with gentoo/hurd, it's going well]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://social.vlhl.dev/objects/4cb553ad-cf26-4a06-a2b0-bbaf917048d1https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://social.vlhl.dev/objects/4cb553ad-cf26-4a06-a2b0-bbaf917048d1Thu, 07 May 2026 01:48:52 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to It's kind of amazing how many veteran Linux greyhairs I've seen, downstream of the age-check-in-systemd decision, saying well I guess I need to get comfortable with a BSD now. on Thu, 07 May 2026 01:30:31 GMT]]>@mhoye @mason it’s a small and opinionated team for sure. My biggest issues with Void are the lack of full disk encryption in the installer (makes it sketchy for laptops when traveling) and the developers’ hard rule against browser forks making me have to build Librewolf myself or use a third party repo.

Still, it’s the distro that I feel most at home in, though these days I run OpenBSD instead.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://exquisite.social/users/kaidenshi/statuses/116530703999211518https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://exquisite.social/users/kaidenshi/statuses/116530703999211518Thu, 07 May 2026 01:30:31 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to It's kind of amazing how many veteran Linux greyhairs I've seen, downstream of the age-check-in-systemd decision, saying well I guess I need to get comfortable with a BSD now. on Thu, 07 May 2026 01:25:55 GMT]]>@kaidenshi @mhoye When I tried it, it seemed like a decent framework missing volunteers. For instance, IIRC there was a history function in xbps that was largely unpopulated.

What killed Void for me was an inability to use a dependency system to let me manage binary kmods for ZFS, and vigorous opposition to the idea from their developers.

I wish there were more answers for how to handle data integrity and self-healing without ZFS. Seems like a useful concept.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://partychickens.net/users/mason/statuses/116530685903283182https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://partychickens.net/users/mason/statuses/116530685903283182Thu, 07 May 2026 01:25:55 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to It's kind of amazing how many veteran Linux greyhairs I've seen, downstream of the age-check-in-systemd decision, saying well I guess I need to get comfortable with a BSD now. on Thu, 07 May 2026 01:17:27 GMT]]>@mason @mhoye Void Linux is also a solid choice for a systemd-less Linux. It has a "less is more" feel to it like the BSDs and uses the runit init system. Its XBPS package system is simple to use and learn, and straightforward if you feel the need to roll your own packages.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://exquisite.social/users/kaidenshi/statuses/116530652622405017https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://exquisite.social/users/kaidenshi/statuses/116530652622405017Thu, 07 May 2026 01:17:27 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to It's kind of amazing how many veteran Linux greyhairs I've seen, downstream of the age-check-in-systemd decision, saying well I guess I need to get comfortable with a BSD now. on Thu, 07 May 2026 01:05:43 GMT]]>@mcc @mhoye Yes, they've got a solid policy. I do wish they had better ZFS support, but it's a comfortable system anyway.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://partychickens.net/users/mason/statuses/116530606443361555https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://partychickens.net/users/mason/statuses/116530606443361555Thu, 07 May 2026 01:05:43 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to It's kind of amazing how many veteran Linux greyhairs I've seen, downstream of the age-check-in-systemd decision, saying well I guess I need to get comfortable with a BSD now. on Thu, 07 May 2026 00:49:25 GMT]]>@mason @mhoye I have not researched this as much as I would like. I've been otherwise occupied this year. I think NetBSD was the one I was told was most anti LLM.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/mcc/statuses/116530542380920318https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/mcc/statuses/116530542380920318Thu, 07 May 2026 00:49:25 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to It's kind of amazing how many veteran Linux greyhairs I've seen, downstream of the age-check-in-systemd decision, saying well I guess I need to get comfortable with a BSD now. on Thu, 07 May 2026 00:39:48 GMT]]>@rmi @mhoye I can support all that.

But for me personally I think having a spot is not a big deal and will continue with Linux.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/hurt138/statuses/116530504577907359https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/hurt138/statuses/116530504577907359Thu, 07 May 2026 00:39:48 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to It's kind of amazing how many veteran Linux greyhairs I've seen, downstream of the age-check-in-systemd decision, saying well I guess I need to get comfortable with a BSD now. on Thu, 07 May 2026 00:21:49 GMT]]>@hurt138 @mhoye I’m not looking for a fight here, but many people find voluntary compliance with authoritarianism distasteful, and feel that aspects like this should be resisted as much as possible. Sometimes resistance looks like marching in the street, and sometimes it looks like a fistful of sand in the gears, starting with “there is no standard place to store that data, you’ll have to think of something else.”

There’s some additional complexity around the speed at which systemd rapidly replaced large parts of unix with an obviously terrible design, and because there is no easy outlet for that resentment, it sometimes surfaces in related subjects like this.

Finally, the compliance-in-advance is intended to improve the “saleability” of linux by large corporations to other large corporations, but many contributors do not value the concept of “saleability” and are concerned that the platform’s direction is increasingly set by companies that do not share their social goals.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://cloudisland.nz/users/rmi/statuses/116530433861041992https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://cloudisland.nz/users/rmi/statuses/116530433861041992Thu, 07 May 2026 00:21:49 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to It's kind of amazing how many veteran Linux greyhairs I've seen, downstream of the age-check-in-systemd decision, saying well I guess I need to get comfortable with a BSD now. on Thu, 07 May 2026 00:09:25 GMT]]>@mhoye @llorenzin systemd mandating the nesting feature be turned on - which increases attack surface substantially - in order to run in LXC was responsible for my first install of Devuan within the past few months. I'm really hoping Devuan gets a lasting influx of donations & talent, realistically if I do eventually start switching to BSD it's gonna take me years to accomplish it.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mstdn.io/users/deutrino/statuses/116530385110622604https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mstdn.io/users/deutrino/statuses/116530385110622604Thu, 07 May 2026 00:09:25 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to It's kind of amazing how many veteran Linux greyhairs I've seen, downstream of the age-check-in-systemd decision, saying well I guess I need to get comfortable with a BSD now. on Thu, 07 May 2026 00:04:49 GMT]]>@yvan @mhoye yeah I've been using Debian since 2000 and Linux since 1994 and the latest systemd debacle has definitely affected my strategy going forward.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mstdn.io/users/deutrino/statuses/116530366982742866https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mstdn.io/users/deutrino/statuses/116530366982742866Thu, 07 May 2026 00:04:49 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to It's kind of amazing how many veteran Linux greyhairs I've seen, downstream of the age-check-in-systemd decision, saying well I guess I need to get comfortable with a BSD now. on Wed, 06 May 2026 23:55:24 GMT]]>@paul @mhoye of course it is ridiculous and nonsensical. But the default for most kids will be "have your status as a minor strongly implied to the app/site" because your browser and os will need to provide some sort of API for getting the user's age.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://social.treehouse.systems/users/wwahammy/statuses/116530329985100638https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://social.treehouse.systems/users/wwahammy/statuses/116530329985100638Wed, 06 May 2026 23:55:24 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to It's kind of amazing how many veteran Linux greyhairs I've seen, downstream of the age-check-in-systemd decision, saying well I guess I need to get comfortable with a BSD now. on Wed, 06 May 2026 23:21:00 GMT]]>@mcc @mhoye Ugh. Alright. Yeah:

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AI Coding Assistants — The Linux Kernel documentation

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(docs.kernel.org)

But we're not strictly out of the woods yet:

"Core is investigating setting up a policy for LLM/AI usage (including but not limited to generating code). The result will be added to the Contributors Guide in the doc repository. AI can be useful for translations (which seems faster than doing the work manually), explaining long/obscure documents, tracking down bugs, or helping to understand large code bases. We currently tend to not use it to generate code because of license concerns. The discussion continues at the core session at BSDCan 2025 developer summit, and core is still collecting feedback and working on the policy."

from https://www.freebsd.org/status/report-2025-04-2025-06/#_freebsd_core_team

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://partychickens.net/users/mason/statuses/116530194718851482https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://partychickens.net/users/mason/statuses/116530194718851482Wed, 06 May 2026 23:21:00 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to It's kind of amazing how many veteran Linux greyhairs I've seen, downstream of the age-check-in-systemd decision, saying well I guess I need to get comfortable with a BSD now. on Wed, 06 May 2026 22:58:37 GMT]]>@mhoye I maybe don't fully understand the issue.. but are they not just adding an extra field for birthday to a file that already has your name, location, and email address? Most people leave all that blank anyhow.. they just want a standard place for it should you want to use it.. systemd is not making anyone use it or ask for it.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/hurt138/statuses/116530106720372069https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/hurt138/statuses/116530106720372069Wed, 06 May 2026 22:58:37 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to It's kind of amazing how many veteran Linux greyhairs I've seen, downstream of the age-check-in-systemd decision, saying well I guess I need to get comfortable with a BSD now. on Wed, 06 May 2026 22:58:24 GMT]]>@womble Hardly. These people don't have much leverage with the folks who actually make decisions, and every bad thing they do burns what little political goodwill they have.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/dalias/statuses/116530105847869261https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/dalias/statuses/116530105847869261Wed, 06 May 2026 22:58:24 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to It's kind of amazing how many veteran Linux greyhairs I've seen, downstream of the age-check-in-systemd decision, saying well I guess I need to get comfortable with a BSD now. on Wed, 06 May 2026 22:52:17 GMT]]>@mhoye @llorenzin This, I use alpine anywhere that doesn't use node.

Don't try this.It's alpha But I am currently running https://chimera-linux.org/ on one of my machine and it's so good. 😀

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/Kyebr/statuses/116530081821974453https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/Kyebr/statuses/116530081821974453Wed, 06 May 2026 22:52:17 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to It's kind of amazing how many veteran Linux greyhairs I've seen, downstream of the age-check-in-systemd decision, saying well I guess I need to get comfortable with a BSD now. on Wed, 06 May 2026 22:41:48 GMT]]>@dalias you'd absolutely hope so, but the "embrace" phase has been completed, the "extend" phase is in full swing, and arguably the "extinguish" phase is already rolling.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/womble/statuses/116530040555732922https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/womble/statuses/116530040555732922Wed, 06 May 2026 22:41:48 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to It's kind of amazing how many veteran Linux greyhairs I've seen, downstream of the age-check-in-systemd decision, saying well I guess I need to get comfortable with a BSD now. on Wed, 06 May 2026 22:35:01 GMT]]>@aburka @mhoye I was wondering whether or not to put that on the end - it's right of course, but then maybe this sort of nonsense will be the end of systemd too. We can only hope

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://notnull.space/users/paul/statuses/01KQZPW8MYACSCPFZ0T666VREYhttps://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://notnull.space/users/paul/statuses/01KQZPW8MYACSCPFZ0T666VREYWed, 06 May 2026 22:35:01 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to It's kind of amazing how many veteran Linux greyhairs I've seen, downstream of the age-check-in-systemd decision, saying well I guess I need to get comfortable with a BSD now. on Wed, 06 May 2026 22:31:29 GMT]]>@ferricoxide this was part of why I kept up with Linux and everything in that ecosystem. Now that I don’t deal with much above layer 2 professionally though, that isn’t as much of a factor anymore.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/sen/statuses/116529999976746291https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/sen/statuses/116529999976746291Wed, 06 May 2026 22:31:29 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to It's kind of amazing how many veteran Linux greyhairs I've seen, downstream of the age-check-in-systemd decision, saying well I guess I need to get comfortable with a BSD now. on Wed, 06 May 2026 22:30:22 GMT]]>@gizmomathboy @mhoye yep, I’ve been involved with Solaris to Linux, AIX to Linux, and HP-UX to Linux projects over the years. This might be the first time I’ve worked on porting things the other way.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/sen/statuses/116529995634849418https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/sen/statuses/116529995634849418Wed, 06 May 2026 22:30:22 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to It's kind of amazing how many veteran Linux greyhairs I've seen, downstream of the age-check-in-systemd decision, saying well I guess I need to get comfortable with a BSD now. on Wed, 06 May 2026 22:30:12 GMT]]>@womble @eigen @mhoye This is systemd and the author/maintainer works for Microsoft. That alone should be disqualifying for having his software in the role it's in.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/dalias/statuses/116529994963105382https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/dalias/statuses/116529994963105382Wed, 06 May 2026 22:30:12 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to It's kind of amazing how many veteran Linux greyhairs I've seen, downstream of the age-check-in-systemd decision, saying well I guess I need to get comfortable with a BSD now. on Wed, 06 May 2026 22:26:08 GMT]]>@eigen Linux got taken over by the corporate bootlicker class years ago.

@mhoye

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/womble/statuses/116529978977562785https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/womble/statuses/116529978977562785Wed, 06 May 2026 22:26:08 GMT