Of the following two alignments which one is "worse" that is... which is a greater problem?

[trillionb@mstdn.social]

@futurebird I voted for Chaotic Evil.

Not that the definition of the alignment caused a problem. Instead, players who chose it often seemed to use it as an excuse to steal the spotlight with nonsensical odious personal actions that derailed the flow of the game.

The party is meeting with an important NPC?
The "evil PC" decides to urinate in the corner of the room.

Stuff that isn't so much "evil", just annoying.

[uastronomer@mastodon.monoceros.co.za]

@futurebird Living in today's world, LE seems the obvious choice because it's evil backed by law. CE, everybody's against them, you can fight them no problem. But if you go up against LE, you have to play by their rules, and if you don't then you're a criminal and now you've fighting the entire system as well.

[detritus@todon.eu]

@mhoye @futurebird @darius got a link to where he explains it? Cuz im completely confused.

[futurebird@sauropods.win]

@kkarhan @mhoye @darius

Think of it as the alignment of the people attracted to that alignment.

[marta@corteximplant.com]

@futurebird I think this question is in a way antithetical to the idea of d&d alignments. It's forcing a dualist structure onto a moral/alignemt system that tries to be non-dualist. It's also assuming the alignment of the respondent to be some version of good but doesn't specify which one.

If you are chaotic good, lawful evil is the greater problem, if you are lawful good chaotic evil is a greater problem, if you are lawful evil chaotic evil is less helpful, if you're chaotic neutral, lawful neutral is a greater enemy to you than either chaotic good or chaotic evil, etc.

[futurebird@sauropods.win]

@mhoye @darius

"Neutral" isn't really neutral the way that I see it. (These are just my off the cuff opinions of what these mean.)

[marta@corteximplant.com]

@futurebird because our irl societies are heavily dualist players perceive the good/bad dichotomy the main one and the chaotic/lawful one to be just a "flavour" for it, but for intrinsically chaotic societies like the fey the good/bad is just the "flavour"

I mean this is my philosophical/ethical headcanon for d&d, fun is most important ofc

[futurebird@sauropods.win]

@marta

I don't think "being a problem" is the same thing as being just... evil. I agree that evil is a kind of boring one-dimensional notion. It's possible to see something as evil only if you ignore aspects of why it exists or how it works.

[p__x@mastodon.social]

@futurebird

lawful evil = evil with power.

[mrkeen@mastodon.social]

Is this about the two US parties?

[distrowatch@mastodon.social]

@futurebird Problem for whom? Other players, the DM, characters in the campaign?

[futurebird@sauropods.win]

@distrowatch

A problem for the quality of the experience as a story for everyone.

[cocaine_owlbear@retro.pizza]

@futurebird @mhoye @darius that is an excellent chart. Would you mind if I borrowed it for my game group?

[futurebird@sauropods.win]

@cocaine_owlbear @mhoye @darius

Not at all!

[hanszauner@ecoevo.social]

@futurebird

Would it be feasible to assign an ant species for each category, I wonder?

[hanszauner@ecoevo.social]

@futurebird
Or are all ants just "Lawful Good"?

[futurebird@sauropods.win]

@HansZauner

i gotchu fam

myrmepropagandist (@futurebird@sauropods.win)

Attached: 1 image @u0421793@toot.pikopublish.ing I think if I made this alignment chart every singe day for a year every chart would be different. The most interesting ant on this chart is Tetramorium atratulum... a remarkable social parasite of pavement ants (Tetramorium species too!) These ants have no workers! They just have queens who latch themselves on to a queen in a productive Tetramorium colony and lay eggs that are cared for by their hosts. They kind of creep me out!

Sauropods.win (sauropods.win)

[billiglarper@rollenspiel.social]

@futurebird @mhoye @darius

I have to admit, I'm not a huge fan of the alignment system due to how unintuitive it is.

The basic axis - good/evil - is so straightforward altruistic/egoistic, that you hardly need a system for it.

Everything else seems to overcomplicate things.

To me, the distinction between chaotic and neutral doen't seem well defined. Both ignore social rules and expectations? ... ok.

And this "neutral" between good and evil seems this "I don't care about anything" aspect

[hanszauner@ecoevo.social]

@futurebird
haha, brilliant! Thanks.

[aerynv2@tenforward.social]

@mhoye @futurebird @darius I played around with some ideas for a three-axis alignment chart a couple years back on my previous account: https://tenforward.social/@bruceiv/111088653550048791