Of the following two alignments which one is "worse" that is... which is a greater problem?
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Of the following two alignments which one is "worse" that is... which is a greater problem?
@futurebird Problem for whom? Other players, the DM, characters in the campaign?
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@futurebird Problem for whom? Other players, the DM, characters in the campaign?
A problem for the quality of the experience as a story for everyone.
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@futurebird @mhoye @darius that is an excellent chart. Would you mind if I borrowed it for my game group?
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@futurebird @mhoye @darius that is an excellent chart. Would you mind if I borrowed it for my game group?
@cocaine_owlbear @mhoye @darius
Not at all!
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Would it be feasible to assign an ant species for each category, I wonder?
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Would it be feasible to assign an ant species for each category, I wonder?
@futurebird
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Would it be feasible to assign an ant species for each category, I wonder?
i gotchu fam
myrmepropagandist (@futurebird@sauropods.win)
Attached: 1 image @u0421793@toot.pikopublish.ing I think if I made this alignment chart every singe day for a year every chart would be different. The most interesting ant on this chart is Tetramorium atratulum... a remarkable social parasite of pavement ants (Tetramorium species too!) These ants have no workers! They just have queens who latch themselves on to a queen in a productive Tetramorium colony and lay eggs that are cared for by their hosts. They kind of creep me out!
Sauropods.win (sauropods.win)
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I have to admit, I'm not a huge fan of the alignment system due to how unintuitive it is.
The basic axis - good/evil - is so straightforward altruistic/egoistic, that you hardly need a system for it.
Everything else seems to overcomplicate things.
To me, the distinction between chaotic and neutral doen't seem well defined. Both ignore social rules and expectations? ... ok.
And this "neutral" between good and evil seems this "I don't care about anything" aspect
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i gotchu fam
myrmepropagandist (@futurebird@sauropods.win)
Attached: 1 image @u0421793@toot.pikopublish.ing I think if I made this alignment chart every singe day for a year every chart would be different. The most interesting ant on this chart is Tetramorium atratulum... a remarkable social parasite of pavement ants (Tetramorium species too!) These ants have no workers! They just have queens who latch themselves on to a queen in a productive Tetramorium colony and lay eggs that are cared for by their hosts. They kind of creep me out!
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@futurebird @darius I've sometimes wondered if there's a third axis for this chart that involves motivation: constructive, intrinsic, destructive.
@mhoye @futurebird @darius I played around with some ideas for a three-axis alignment chart a couple years back on my previous account: https://tenforward.social/@bruceiv/111088653550048791
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@futurebird @mhoye @darius I'm curious about what would go in true neutral
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Of the following two alignments which one is "worse" that is... which is a greater problem?
@futurebird One of the scary things about conservative Evangelicals is that more than one has told me that the worst thing about D&D is that they believe "Lawful Evil" is a contradiction in terms.
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@futurebird One of the scary things about conservative Evangelicals is that more than one has told me that the worst thing about D&D is that they believe "Lawful Evil" is a contradiction in terms.
oh dear
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@futurebird @mhoye @darius As I understand it, the alignment system was invented by Dave Arneson trying to deal with a problem player at his table.
I used to say that every D&D player I knew would argue that the alignment system doesn't make sense, but it would almost make sense if... And this would lead to a heated argument.
Computer RPGs used to insist on some version of the game rating your actions as good or evil. I remember people condemning Elder Scrolls: Morrowind as "postmodernist" because it doesn't do that.
I can't think of a TTRPG other than D&D (and its retroclones) with anything like a formal alignment system.
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Of the following two alignments which one is "worse" that is... which is a greater problem?
@futurebird depends. With the right type of structure, lawful evil individuals can be restrained. But once you get too many of them and they organize, watch out.
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@futurebird @mhoye @darius As I understand it, the alignment system was invented by Dave Arneson trying to deal with a problem player at his table.
I used to say that every D&D player I knew would argue that the alignment system doesn't make sense, but it would almost make sense if... And this would lead to a heated argument.
Computer RPGs used to insist on some version of the game rating your actions as good or evil. I remember people condemning Elder Scrolls: Morrowind as "postmodernist" because it doesn't do that.
I can't think of a TTRPG other than D&D (and its retroclones) with anything like a formal alignment system.
Still, I love those D&D alignment memes.
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@futurebird @mhoye @darius I think there is a theory somewhere that most players in a CRPG (and other video games, too) can be characterised as being Neutral Evil. For instance, the LG paladin player with maximum reputation points who still breaks into people's houses to steal their valuables. It's fascinating to think about.
And having the best reputation gives the best store prices. So there's selfish motivation to reach that. Etc.
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@futurebird If you haven't seen @darius 's "D&D alignment of the D&D alignments" chart, I'm happy to introduce you to it.
@mhoye @futurebird @darius it's my favourite alignment chart ever and it's on the strength of it that i'm choosing CE in the poll -
@futurebird @kkarhan @mhoye @darius it could also be the character versus the player
(i don't think there's a bright line between these two framings)
the range between "CG"(LE) and "LE"(TN) is basically the underlying morality of all the stuff i write that's worth posting... -
@futurebird One of the scary things about conservative Evangelicals is that more than one has told me that the worst thing about D&D is that they believe "Lawful Evil" is a contradiction in terms.
@foolishowl @futurebird https://cosocial.ca/users/mhoye/statuses/116623832198275572
"Lawful Good" (Lawful Evil)
