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  • ccgus@mastodon.socialC ccgus@mastodon.social

    The new Mac Gemini app has a huge executable binary (128MB!). Took a peak at it and … it contains 1,856 Objective-C classes whose class name starts with Java.

    What in the world are they doing?

    So I had Gemini analyze Gemini. Looks like there’s a lot of shared Android code in there, but compiled to Objective-C and Swift.

    sdpd@hachyderm.ioS This user is from outside of this forum
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    @ccgus https://developers.google.com/j2objc

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    • ccgus@mastodon.socialC ccgus@mastodon.social

      The new Mac Gemini app has a huge executable binary (128MB!). Took a peak at it and … it contains 1,856 Objective-C classes whose class name starts with Java.

      What in the world are they doing?

      So I had Gemini analyze Gemini. Looks like there’s a lot of shared Android code in there, but compiled to Objective-C and Swift.

      davidanson@mastodon.socialD This user is from outside of this forum
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      @ccgus “Write once, run anywhere!”

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      • ccgus@mastodon.socialC ccgus@mastodon.social

        The new Mac Gemini app has a huge executable binary (128MB!). Took a peak at it and … it contains 1,856 Objective-C classes whose class name starts with Java.

        What in the world are they doing?

        So I had Gemini analyze Gemini. Looks like there’s a lot of shared Android code in there, but compiled to Objective-C and Swift.

        jacksonhayes@mastodon.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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        @ccgus “technically” native, then?

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        • ccgus@mastodon.socialC ccgus@mastodon.social

          The new Mac Gemini app has a huge executable binary (128MB!). Took a peak at it and … it contains 1,856 Objective-C classes whose class name starts with Java.

          What in the world are they doing?

          So I had Gemini analyze Gemini. Looks like there’s a lot of shared Android code in there, but compiled to Objective-C and Swift.

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          @ccgus @siracusa Funny how all these AI apps sound vibe-coded. 😂

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          • sdpd@hachyderm.ioS sdpd@hachyderm.io

            @ccgus https://developers.google.com/j2objc

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            @sdpd Very cool, thanks for the pointer.

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            • ccgus@mastodon.socialC ccgus@mastodon.social

              The new Mac Gemini app has a huge executable binary (128MB!). Took a peak at it and … it contains 1,856 Objective-C classes whose class name starts with Java.

              What in the world are they doing?

              So I had Gemini analyze Gemini. Looks like there’s a lot of shared Android code in there, but compiled to Objective-C and Swift.

              ccgus@mastodon.socialC This user is from outside of this forum
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              Well thanks to @sdpd, I think this answers the Java to Objective-C question: https://developers.google.com/j2objc

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              • ccgus@mastodon.socialC ccgus@mastodon.social

                The new Mac Gemini app has a huge executable binary (128MB!). Took a peak at it and … it contains 1,856 Objective-C classes whose class name starts with Java.

                What in the world are they doing?

                So I had Gemini analyze Gemini. Looks like there’s a lot of shared Android code in there, but compiled to Objective-C and Swift.

                otolithe@mastodon.socialO This user is from outside of this forum
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                @ccgus @siracusa to be fair, Google is a small company and doesn’t really have the resources to do a proper Mac app. We should start a fundraiser…

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                • ccgus@mastodon.socialC ccgus@mastodon.social

                  The new Mac Gemini app has a huge executable binary (128MB!). Took a peak at it and … it contains 1,856 Objective-C classes whose class name starts with Java.

                  What in the world are they doing?

                  So I had Gemini analyze Gemini. Looks like there’s a lot of shared Android code in there, but compiled to Objective-C and Swift.

                  heathborders@hachyderm.ioH This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @ccgus it's probably using j2objc or something.

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                  • ccgus@mastodon.socialC ccgus@mastodon.social

                    The new Mac Gemini app has a huge executable binary (128MB!). Took a peak at it and … it contains 1,856 Objective-C classes whose class name starts with Java.

                    What in the world are they doing?

                    So I had Gemini analyze Gemini. Looks like there’s a lot of shared Android code in there, but compiled to Objective-C and Swift.

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                    @ccgus @siracusa So it’s AU slop!

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                    • heathborders@hachyderm.ioH heathborders@hachyderm.io

                      @ccgus it's probably using j2objc or something.

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                      @heathborders @ccgus I still wonder how sth like this can actually work, mostly considering GC

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                      • ccgus@mastodon.socialC ccgus@mastodon.social

                        The new Mac Gemini app has a huge executable binary (128MB!). Took a peak at it and … it contains 1,856 Objective-C classes whose class name starts with Java.

                        What in the world are they doing?

                        So I had Gemini analyze Gemini. Looks like there’s a lot of shared Android code in there, but compiled to Objective-C and Swift.

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                        @ccgus Sounds like they’re using Kotlin, maybe.

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                        • helge@mastodon.socialH helge@mastodon.social

                          @heathborders @ccgus I still wonder how sth like this can actually work, mostly considering GC

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                          @helge looks like j2objc has heuristics to implement MRR

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                          • davidanson@mastodon.socialD davidanson@mastodon.social

                            @ccgus “Write once, run anywhere!”

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                            @DavidAnson @ccgus I think the term is “write once, suck everywhere”

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                            • ccgus@mastodon.socialC ccgus@mastodon.social

                              The new Mac Gemini app has a huge executable binary (128MB!). Took a peak at it and … it contains 1,856 Objective-C classes whose class name starts with Java.

                              What in the world are they doing?

                              So I had Gemini analyze Gemini. Looks like there’s a lot of shared Android code in there, but compiled to Objective-C and Swift.

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                              @ccgus Why am I not surprised? Everything Google does is trash.

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                              • ccgus@mastodon.socialC ccgus@mastodon.social

                                The new Mac Gemini app has a huge executable binary (128MB!). Took a peak at it and … it contains 1,856 Objective-C classes whose class name starts with Java.

                                What in the world are they doing?

                                So I had Gemini analyze Gemini. Looks like there’s a lot of shared Android code in there, but compiled to Objective-C and Swift.

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                                @ccgus @bugaevc cough https://developers.google.com/j2objc cough

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                                • ccgus@mastodon.socialC ccgus@mastodon.social

                                  The new Mac Gemini app has a huge executable binary (128MB!). Took a peak at it and … it contains 1,856 Objective-C classes whose class name starts with Java.

                                  What in the world are they doing?

                                  So I had Gemini analyze Gemini. Looks like there’s a lot of shared Android code in there, but compiled to Objective-C and Swift.

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                                  @ccgus Android is now a Swift target, but it's really kind of weird how it works. I'm still trying to figure it out. It wraps Swift code around Java https://www.swift.org/blog/exploring-the-swift-sdk-for-android/

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                                  • ccgus@mastodon.socialC ccgus@mastodon.social

                                    The new Mac Gemini app has a huge executable binary (128MB!). Took a peak at it and … it contains 1,856 Objective-C classes whose class name starts with Java.

                                    What in the world are they doing?

                                    So I had Gemini analyze Gemini. Looks like there’s a lot of shared Android code in there, but compiled to Objective-C and Swift.

                                    causticmsngo@mastodon.socialC This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    @ccgus I feel like everything Google does is cursed.

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                                    • woolie@mastodon.socialW woolie@mastodon.social

                                      @DavidAnson @ccgus I think the term is “write once, suck everywhere”

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                                      @woolie @DavidAnson @ccgus

                                      Or "Write once, run away very very fast."

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                                      • i_am_fabs@mastodon.socialI i_am_fabs@mastodon.social

                                        @ccgus this did not age well. 😵‍💫

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                                        @i_am_fabs @ccgus I bet the J2ObjC usage is for the data modeling layer (so it's easily sharable with Android).

                                        J2ObjC doesn't provide any kind of UI code support, so the UI layer is probably still native SwiftUI.

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                                        • cdoncarroll@mstdn.socialC cdoncarroll@mstdn.social

                                          @i_am_fabs @ccgus I bet the J2ObjC usage is for the data modeling layer (so it's easily sharable with Android).

                                          J2ObjC doesn't provide any kind of UI code support, so the UI layer is probably still native SwiftUI.

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                                          @cdoncarroll @ccgus he did not say SwiftUI … he said native swift … and so it’s not

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