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  3. Pleased to share a page and explainer for the AI tarpit project Science is Poetry, with legal statement, rationale(s), and a few deployment notes:

Pleased to share a page and explainer for the AI tarpit project Science is Poetry, with legal statement, rationale(s), and a few deployment notes:

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  • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

    I have only linked them here and on the landing page, and already it's gone nuts.

    These are *solely* the new domains you've donated, all in one log. These do not pertain to the project domain.

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    @JulianOliver I think scraper bots and other parasites constantly scan TLS transparency reports to find new domains to probe. As soon as you have a new certificate, they start hitting your web server.

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    • pertho@mastodon.bsd.cafeP pertho@mastodon.bsd.cafe

      @JulianOliver I think scraper bots and other parasites constantly scan TLS transparency reports to find new domains to probe. As soon as you have a new certificate, they start hitting your web server.

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      #51

      @pertho Very interesting! I will look into this closely. Thank you.

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      • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

        Do you have an unused domain that you would be happy to donate to a counter-offensive against unchecked & unregulated AI crawlers that scrape human-made content to simulate & deceive for profit?

        If so, pls reply to this post. Your domain would become an entrypoint to the AI tarpit & Poison-as-a-Service project below, allowing concerned public to choose to use it on their sites, helping make the project more resilient to blacklisting.

        Link Preview Image
        Science is Poetry

        favicon

        (julianoliver.com)

        #ai #bigtech #tacticalmedia

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        #52

        @JulianOliver heya. How do I donate and configure domains for your experiment? Do they come with any restrictions, i.e. must the FQDNs be in distinct DNS zones, etc? Can easily spin up and configure a few to begin with e.g.

        poetry.zenr.io
        worst.case.zenr.io
        wurst.case.zenr.io
        et.c.

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        • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

          @futuresprog Great, and yes.. precisely!

          Here you go:

          A: 95.216.76.85
          AAAA: 2a01:4f9:2b:c83::2

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          @JulianOliver @futuresprog ah, cool to know, thanks. can config a few from this ...

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          • vortex@tldr.nettime.orgV vortex@tldr.nettime.org

            @JulianOliver @futuresprog ah, cool to know, thanks. can config a few from this ...

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            #54

            @vortex @futuresprog Thanks a lot Adam! Please let me know when you're done. By DM is also fine too.

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            • pertho@mastodon.bsd.cafeP pertho@mastodon.bsd.cafe

              @JulianOliver I think scraper bots and other parasites constantly scan TLS transparency reports to find new domains to probe. As soon as you have a new certificate, they start hitting your web server.

              dch@bsd.networkD This user is from outside of this forum
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              #55

              @pertho @JulianOliver a way around this is to use both DNS and TLS wildcard support - there is no single domain list in the report that can be slopped.

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              • dch@bsd.networkD dch@bsd.network

                @pertho @JulianOliver a way around this is to use both DNS and TLS wildcard support - there is no single domain list in the report that can be slopped.

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                @dch I would think they would still try the bare/apex domain and "www".
                @JulianOliver

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                • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

                  @pertho Very interesting! I will look into this closely. Thank you.

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                  @JulianOliver @pertho yes this is the thing. you can get hold of live streams of newly created TLS certificates, an example https://bencevans.io/security/certificate-stream

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                  • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

                    I've started to harvest a list of AI crawler endpoint addrs for your blacklisting pleasure.

                    I'll try to keep it updated. I've been fastidious with ensuring I'm only pulling those related to the known user agent, so as not to have any false positives

                    https://scienceispoetry.net/files/parasites.txt

                    It is at the same path for all contributed domains.

                    For instance:

                    https://carrot.mro1.de/files/parasites.txt

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                    #58

                    @JulianOliver "parasites" is a great name for this

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                    • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

                      Pleased to share a page and explainer for the AI tarpit project Science is Poetry, with legal statement, rationale(s), and a few deployment notes:

                      Link Preview Image
                      Science is Poetry

                      favicon

                      (julianoliver.com)

                      The page may grow a bit. Just wanted to get it out the door.

                      #AI #bigtech

                      computersandblues@post.lurk.orgC This user is from outside of this forum
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                      @JulianOliver do you want some subdomains on https://nein.wtf? feel free to pick!

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                      • computersandblues@post.lurk.orgC computersandblues@post.lurk.org

                        @JulianOliver do you want some subdomains on https://nein.wtf? feel free to pick!

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                        #60

                        @computersandblues Amazing!

                        Might these be available?

                        - parasit
                        - karotte
                        - ftw

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                        • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

                          I've started to harvest a list of AI crawler endpoint addrs for your blacklisting pleasure.

                          I'll try to keep it updated. I've been fastidious with ensuring I'm only pulling those related to the known user agent, so as not to have any false positives

                          https://scienceispoetry.net/files/parasites.txt

                          It is at the same path for all contributed domains.

                          For instance:

                          https://carrot.mro1.de/files/parasites.txt

                          julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                          #61

                          It's approaching DoS at this point. This just one of the VMs, and just OpenAI's parasite.

                          Threading's holding up but need some more tuning of rate limits and burst. Trying sending 429's now to ask them to play nice.

                          To think the www was built for people.

                          And here we are

                          mro@digitalcourage.socialM julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ twilliability@genart.socialT paulhanrahan@mastodon.socialP bastelwombat@chaos.socialB 5 Replies Last reply
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                          • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

                            @computersandblues Amazing!

                            Might these be available?

                            - parasit
                            - karotte
                            - ftw

                            computersandblues@post.lurk.orgC This user is from outside of this forum
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                            #62

                            @JulianOliver they are, A and AAAA records already set up

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                            • computersandblues@post.lurk.orgC computersandblues@post.lurk.org

                              @JulianOliver they are, A and AAAA records already set up

                              julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                              @computersandblues Ahh, so good. I'll add them first thing tomorrow. It's evening here. Will let you know as soon as I do 🙂

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                              • pertho@mastodon.bsd.cafeP pertho@mastodon.bsd.cafe

                                @dch I would think they would still try the bare/apex domain and "www".
                                @JulianOliver

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                                @pertho in my experience it seems they don’t even bother with wildcard domains @JulianOliver

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                                • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

                                  Do you have an unused domain that you would be happy to donate to a counter-offensive against unchecked & unregulated AI crawlers that scrape human-made content to simulate & deceive for profit?

                                  If so, pls reply to this post. Your domain would become an entrypoint to the AI tarpit & Poison-as-a-Service project below, allowing concerned public to choose to use it on their sites, helping make the project more resilient to blacklisting.

                                  Link Preview Image
                                  Science is Poetry

                                  favicon

                                  (julianoliver.com)

                                  #ai #bigtech #tacticalmedia

                                  wtl@mastodon.socialW This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  #65

                                  @JulianOliver I have a slew of currently un -used domains. Where do I point them?

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                                  • wtl@mastodon.socialW wtl@mastodon.social

                                    @JulianOliver I have a slew of currently un -used domains. Where do I point them?

                                    julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    #66

                                    @WTL Thanks! Just these two records:

                                    A: 95.216.76.85
                                    AAAA: 2a01:4f9:2b:c83::2

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                                    • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

                                      I've started to harvest a list of AI crawler endpoint addrs for your blacklisting pleasure.

                                      I'll try to keep it updated. I've been fastidious with ensuring I'm only pulling those related to the known user agent, so as not to have any false positives

                                      https://scienceispoetry.net/files/parasites.txt

                                      It is at the same path for all contributed domains.

                                      For instance:

                                      https://carrot.mro1.de/files/parasites.txt

                                      mro@digitalcourage.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      #67

                                      Hi @JulianOliver,
                                      mind adding a parallel https://cdb.cr.yp.to file?

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                                      • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

                                        It's approaching DoS at this point. This just one of the VMs, and just OpenAI's parasite.

                                        Threading's holding up but need some more tuning of rate limits and burst. Trying sending 429's now to ask them to play nice.

                                        To think the www was built for people.

                                        And here we are

                                        mro@digitalcourage.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        wrote last edited by
                                        #68

                                        Hi @JulianOliver,
                                        indeed an act of #hygiene blocking #bot​s: https://doi.org/10.17487/RFC8890 "The Internet is for End Users"

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                                        • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

                                          Do you have an unused domain that you would be happy to donate to a counter-offensive against unchecked & unregulated AI crawlers that scrape human-made content to simulate & deceive for profit?

                                          If so, pls reply to this post. Your domain would become an entrypoint to the AI tarpit & Poison-as-a-Service project below, allowing concerned public to choose to use it on their sites, helping make the project more resilient to blacklisting.

                                          Link Preview Image
                                          Science is Poetry

                                          favicon

                                          (julianoliver.com)

                                          #ai #bigtech #tacticalmedia

                                          thgie@post.lurk.orgT This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          #69

                                          You can add `dreckiger.schleimpilz.ch` to the list. Thanks for all your work!

                                          @JulianOliver

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