"Assume OSS is compromised" - that is a very very deep hole indeed

[jerry@infosec.exchange]

"Assume OSS is compromised" - that is a very very deep hole indeed

https://www.paloaltonetworks.com/apps/pan/public/downloadResource?pagePath=/content/pan/en_US/resources/datasheets/defenders-guide-to-frontier-ai-checklist-for-cisos

[krypt3ia@infosec.exchange]

@jerry NOT THE OFFICE OF STRATEGIC SERVICES!

[jerry@infosec.exchange]

@krypt3ia I guess we knew about them already

[exception@mastodon.savvy.ch]

@jerry Assume you will never now just how deeply all closed source software is compromised.

[epic_null@infosec.exchange]

@jerry OSS can be audited. I think that scares these companies most of all.

[fencepost@infosec.exchange]

@jerry it's not entirely out of line to simply "assume compromise" for any software (or the hardware it controls, Palo Alto) but it is indeed a deep hole. AI tools may actually make problems in open source "shallow" in ways not visible or verifiable in closed systems - and while the open source projects may not be able to buy expensive tooling people looking for things to brag about may spend their own money on those tools anyway.

[varx@defcon.social]

@exception @jerry only way to be secure is to code it yourself using punch cards. Make sure to punch the holes yourself using a lot of force. Don't want a hanging chad to introduce a hidden vulnerability!

[sempf@infosec.exchange]

@jerry Whelp. Everyone convert those Linux AWS containers to Windows.

[jerry@infosec.exchange]

@Sempf it's the only choice

[fennix@infosec.space]

@jerry @Sempf

I'm going to be moving forward with my very own bespoke vibecoded OS. No way the hackers can plant anything in it if even I have no clue what's in there!

[hamishthepiper@ioc.exchange]

@jerry Let’s see how long anything lasts after ripping out curl, ffmpeg, etc b/c it _might_ be an attack surface.

[sundew@beige.party]

@jerry "See, if you can read the source code, you should just assume it's compromised, but if you _can't_ read the source code, that's how you know it's good." 🤪

[darkuncle@infosec.exchange]

@jerry @Sempf given how much commercial software (from Palo Alto and Microsoft, among others) depends on OSS somewhere in the dev toolchain, assume *all software* is compromised

it's the only way to be sure.

[lee_holmes@infosec.exchange]

@jerry I should be in marketing. "In this new world of frontier AI, <copy and paste the same generic security advice that's been given for decades like zero-trust and inventory your assets>"

[paul_ipv6@infosec.exchange]

@darkuncle @jerry @Sempf

"I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure."

[darkuncle@infosec.exchange]

@paul_ipv6 @jerry @Sempf precisely

[sempf@infosec.exchange]

@darkuncle @paul_ipv6 @jerry I'm pretty sure that's what the rocketbois have in mind.