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  3. "Assume OSS is compromised" - that is a very very deep hole indeed

"Assume OSS is compromised" - that is a very very deep hole indeed

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  • exception@mastodon.savvy.chE exception@mastodon.savvy.ch

    @jerry Assume you will never now just how deeply all closed source software is compromised.

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    @exception @jerry only way to be secure is to code it yourself using punch cards. Make sure to punch the holes yourself using a lot of force. Don't want a hanging chad to introduce a hidden vulnerability!

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    • jerry@infosec.exchangeJ jerry@infosec.exchange

      "Assume OSS is compromised" - that is a very very deep hole indeed

      https://www.paloaltonetworks.com/apps/pan/public/downloadResource?pagePath=/content/pan/en_US/resources/datasheets/defenders-guide-to-frontier-ai-checklist-for-cisos

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      @jerry Whelp. Everyone convert those Linux AWS containers to Windows.

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      • sempf@infosec.exchangeS sempf@infosec.exchange

        @jerry Whelp. Everyone convert those Linux AWS containers to Windows.

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        @Sempf it's the only choice

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        • jerry@infosec.exchangeJ jerry@infosec.exchange

          @Sempf it's the only choice

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          @jerry @Sempf

          I'm going to be moving forward with my very own bespoke vibecoded OS. No way the hackers can plant anything in it if even I have no clue what's in there!

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          • jerry@infosec.exchangeJ jerry@infosec.exchange

            "Assume OSS is compromised" - that is a very very deep hole indeed

            https://www.paloaltonetworks.com/apps/pan/public/downloadResource?pagePath=/content/pan/en_US/resources/datasheets/defenders-guide-to-frontier-ai-checklist-for-cisos

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            @jerry Let’s see how long anything lasts after ripping out curl, ffmpeg, etc b/c it _might_ be an attack surface.

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            • jerry@infosec.exchangeJ jerry@infosec.exchange

              "Assume OSS is compromised" - that is a very very deep hole indeed

              https://www.paloaltonetworks.com/apps/pan/public/downloadResource?pagePath=/content/pan/en_US/resources/datasheets/defenders-guide-to-frontier-ai-checklist-for-cisos

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              @jerry "See, if you can read the source code, you should just assume it's compromised, but if you _can't_ read the source code, that's how you know it's good." 🤪🤡

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              • jerry@infosec.exchangeJ jerry@infosec.exchange

                @Sempf it's the only choice

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                @jerry @Sempf given how much commercial software (from Palo Alto and Microsoft, among others) depends on OSS somewhere in the dev toolchain, assume *all software* is compromised

                it's the only way to be sure.

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                • jerry@infosec.exchangeJ jerry@infosec.exchange

                  "Assume OSS is compromised" - that is a very very deep hole indeed

                  https://www.paloaltonetworks.com/apps/pan/public/downloadResource?pagePath=/content/pan/en_US/resources/datasheets/defenders-guide-to-frontier-ai-checklist-for-cisos

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                  @jerry I should be in marketing. "In this new world of frontier AI, <copy and paste the same generic security advice that's been given for decades like zero-trust and inventory your assets>"

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                  • darkuncle@infosec.exchangeD darkuncle@infosec.exchange

                    @jerry @Sempf given how much commercial software (from Palo Alto and Microsoft, among others) depends on OSS somewhere in the dev toolchain, assume *all software* is compromised

                    it's the only way to be sure.

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                    @darkuncle @jerry @Sempf

                    "I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure."

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                    • paul_ipv6@infosec.exchangeP paul_ipv6@infosec.exchange

                      @darkuncle @jerry @Sempf

                      "I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure."

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                      @paul_ipv6 @jerry @Sempf precisely

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                      • darkuncle@infosec.exchangeD darkuncle@infosec.exchange

                        @paul_ipv6 @jerry @Sempf precisely

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                        @darkuncle @paul_ipv6 @jerry I'm pretty sure that's what the rocketbois have in mind.

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