" #Democrats deliver ‘stunning’ flip in New Hampshire special election, latest in series of 28 upsets"

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@bBuck @miss_rodent

there's nothing wrong with membership in other parties

they can and do vote for dems where it matters

of course there's something wrong with voting for a 3rd party in our stupid FPTP voting system, and dividing the left vote, and helping MAGA win, in crucial elections

but what you see, at least in New York is, for example the dem candidate also appearing on the WFP party line on the voting ballot

[fathermcgruder@jorts.horse]

@benroyce Okay, so when a pro-genocide candidate gets nominated, it's best for leftists to vote third-party or write-in in the general. Got it.

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@fathermcgruder

if you vote 3rd party you are voting MAGA

in our stupid FPTP voting system you are dividing the left vote and helping MAGA win

and if you stand against harris, for example, due to gaza (ignoring trump?!), then not voting/ 3rd party voting: congratulations, you helped what trump is doing in iran happen

you're talking about feeling pure, for yourself

you don't care what happens in reality

that's entitled

your rationale only helps fascism

a vote is strategy, not a romance

[goodking@mstdn.party]

@benroyce @fathermcgruder including non-voters themselves….

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@GoodKing @fathermcgruder

exactly

nonvoters whine a lot about the state of the world, but they don't have an ideological position, they have a psychological position

if you somehow gave them everything they wanted in a candidate, they still wouldn't vote, they would just invent a new impossible purity reason not to vote

they aren't of the left

they are of the party of mindless cynicism, learned helplessness, and toxic idealism

nobody should listen to nonvoters

they are useless lumps

[bluewaver22@genomic.social]

@benroyce @fathermcgruder

a the fuk men!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[bluewaver22@genomic.social]

@benroyce @fathermcgruder damn straight—- sharewildly!!!!!

[a_minion@mastodon.social]

@miss_rodent @benroyce Absurdly up here Alaska only the GOP is closed. but it breaks out to be;

80,819 – Nonpartisans
256,066 – Undeclared
142,104 – Republican Party
77,348 – Democrat Party

Independent bunch of folks!!

[a_minion@mastodon.social]

@benroyce @fathermcgruder I still find it funny in the 60's Mamdani would have been considered as Middle Left, On the ballot was UBI, and the Party head of the American Communist party was in the race. Even some of the Right supported civil rights for all, that included LBGTQIA and Trans, nobody cared about Drag Queens. Now tell me we have moved to far to the Left.

[davoyager@mastodon.social]

@benroyce Yeah there are bots everywhere. I'm just saying there are fewer. Threads and X are flooded with them

[fathermcgruder@jorts.horse]

@benroyce No, that is shill logic. Votes must be earned. No candidate, especially from a party that is barely a party, is entitled to anyone's vote.

[bbuck@mastodon.social]

@miss_rodent @benroyce
You’re so good at luring an old guy into a party that’s not a party yet. Thanks so much for your help. Mamdani is a lighthouse beacon that I will easily follow. There are many sparks of candidates I like. But currently there is one party that can defeat MAGA, especially with the Trump administration imploding. And it’s not the Mamdani Party.

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@fathermcgruder

There *is* something entitled to your vote:

Your society

You're not trans or an immigrant etc so Trump's malice doesn't threaten you

So you are privileged to play silly games like "teach dems a lesson" and allow your society to go to shit. Because it doesn't affect you (or you're too stupid to realize it affects you)

Centrist dems aren't listening to your "lesson." Not voting means you don't care

You have to show up and *replace* centrist dems in the primaries

#vote

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@bBuck @miss_rodent

Mamdani ran on the Working Families Party line

And the Democratic Party line

REST OF COMMENT WIPED OUT DUE TO ME BEING A PUNCH DRUNK IDIOT

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@davoyager agreed. There are less

[bbuck@mastodon.social]

@benroyce @miss_rodent
Sure. Blame it on the old guy. Maybe the Odd nonbinary lunatic squirrel thing wants to take a different approach in trying to get all of us onboard.

[jbluespruce@mstdn.social]

@benroyce @fathermcgruder Agree completely with Ben. Leftists didn’t like Hubert Humphrey in 1968 because he was too connected to Johnson’s escalation of the Vietnam War, so we got 8 years of Nixon, more escalation, more body bags, Cointelpro, murdered Black Panthers etc. Leftists didn’t like Al Gore in 2000, so we got 8 years of GWB, two devastating wars, a broken economy, John Roberts and Sam Alito, inaction on climate change…1/

[miss_rodent@girlcock.club]

@bBuck @benroyce NY elections have rules that allow a candidate to run for multiple parties at once, without splitting the vote and having a spoiler effect. National elections do not have this.
So, on the federal level, and in most states, yes, the dems are the only ones that can meaningfully challenge the republicans right noww.
But at the local level, things can be more complicated, and a lot of people register for parties based on local concerns rather than national ones.

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@bBuck @miss_rodent

COMMENT EDITED DUE TO ME BEING A PUNCH DRUNK IDIOT

[miss_rodent@girlcock.club]

@benroyce @bBuck I am not certain he meant to be antagonistic? I didn't read his comment as such, at least - either way, I checked his timeline before replying, I don't think he has anything against nonbinary people.
I call myself a "thing" in my bio - he was quoting my description directly.