" #Democrats deliver ‘stunning’ flip in New Hampshire special election, latest in series of 28 upsets"

[fathermcgruder@jorts.horse]

@benroyce Ok so what if leftists do come out to vote in the primaries, but their vote gets split because whoops there happen to be one too many leftish candidates running and then the pro-genocide candidate gets the nomination?

[not2b@sfba.social]

@benroyce @fathermcgruder AOC also, who shocked the Democrats by defeating a very senior corporate Democrat in a primary.

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@fathermcgruder

i don't understand your complaint

"what if something bad happens"?

of course. there's numerous other scenarios where something can go wrong

or the centrist dem can straight up beat the leftist dem in the primary

and?

the simple point is:

if you vote, you may lose. if you don't vote, you *will* lose

nevermind that if leftists show the fuck up, their concerns will be addressed rather than ignored

no elected official cares about people who don't #vote

you *make them* care

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@not2b @fathermcgruder

exactly

i only use the mamdani example because he's more recent

people need to show the fuck up in the primaries if they want leftists in power

simple

[fathermcgruder@jorts.horse]

@benroyce I'm just trying to get clarification on who you think is an entitled moron and under what circumstances. If leftists keep voting blue no matter who, the message that sends is that the Democrats can ignore leftists. We should not encourage that sort of entitlement on behalf of the party.

[bbuck@mastodon.social]

@miss_rodent @benroyce
Thanks for your attempt to confuse Democrats. I will vote Democrat 100%. The other pretend-parties have no chance. Your choice: pretend parties or the party that can lift us out of this darkness.

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@fathermcgruder

1. i'm talking about the primaries, where you outright choose a leftist

2. if you think "i'm not voting and i'm sending a message to centrist dems":

it doesn't send anyone any message

they just ignore you

and it means you don't care about trans rights, women's rights, voting rights, immigrants, what is going on in iran right now, etc

to pout and sit things out and risk all of that and more "to send a message" is entitled as fuck

nobody cares about people who don't vote

[bbuck@mastodon.social]

@miss_rodent @benroyce
Thanks. I know.

[miss_rodent@girlcock.club]

@bBuck @benroyce Attempt to confuse democrats?
I don't know what that means.
It's not a pretend party, it's probably a more powerful party in NY state politics than the republicans are, their support is a significant part of why Mamdani is NYC mayor right now.

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@bBuck @miss_rodent

there's nothing wrong with membership in other parties

they can and do vote for dems where it matters

of course there's something wrong with voting for a 3rd party in our stupid FPTP voting system, and dividing the left vote, and helping MAGA win, in crucial elections

but what you see, at least in New York is, for example the dem candidate also appearing on the WFP party line on the voting ballot

[fathermcgruder@jorts.horse]

@benroyce Okay, so when a pro-genocide candidate gets nominated, it's best for leftists to vote third-party or write-in in the general. Got it.

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@fathermcgruder

if you vote 3rd party you are voting MAGA

in our stupid FPTP voting system you are dividing the left vote and helping MAGA win

and if you stand against harris, for example, due to gaza (ignoring trump?!), then not voting/ 3rd party voting: congratulations, you helped what trump is doing in iran happen

you're talking about feeling pure, for yourself

you don't care what happens in reality

that's entitled

your rationale only helps fascism

a vote is strategy, not a romance

[goodking@mstdn.party]

@benroyce @fathermcgruder including non-voters themselves….

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@GoodKing @fathermcgruder

exactly

nonvoters whine a lot about the state of the world, but they don't have an ideological position, they have a psychological position

if you somehow gave them everything they wanted in a candidate, they still wouldn't vote, they would just invent a new impossible purity reason not to vote

they aren't of the left

they are of the party of mindless cynicism, learned helplessness, and toxic idealism

nobody should listen to nonvoters

they are useless lumps

[bluewaver22@genomic.social]

@benroyce @fathermcgruder

a the fuk men!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[bluewaver22@genomic.social]

@benroyce @fathermcgruder damn straight—- sharewildly!!!!!

[a_minion@mastodon.social]

@miss_rodent @benroyce Absurdly up here Alaska only the GOP is closed. but it breaks out to be;

80,819 – Nonpartisans
256,066 – Undeclared
142,104 – Republican Party
77,348 – Democrat Party

Independent bunch of folks!!

[a_minion@mastodon.social]

@benroyce @fathermcgruder I still find it funny in the 60's Mamdani would have been considered as Middle Left, On the ballot was UBI, and the Party head of the American Communist party was in the race. Even some of the Right supported civil rights for all, that included LBGTQIA and Trans, nobody cared about Drag Queens. Now tell me we have moved to far to the Left.

[davoyager@mastodon.social]

@benroyce Yeah there are bots everywhere. I'm just saying there are fewer. Threads and X are flooded with them

[fathermcgruder@jorts.horse]

@benroyce No, that is shill logic. Votes must be earned. No candidate, especially from a party that is barely a party, is entitled to anyone's vote.