" #Democrats deliver ‘stunning’ flip in New Hampshire special election, latest in series of 28 upsets"
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@benroyce No problem. The rules around primaries in this country (and even just here in NY) are an aggressively anti-democratic mess, in a lot of places.
@miss_rodent @benroyce in WI you have to choose a team going in, regardless of registration. So, one can either vote for their preferred party candidate or choose a spoiler for the opposite team.
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@benroyce No problem. The rules around primaries in this country (and even just here in NY) are an aggressively anti-democratic mess, in a lot of places.
yup (i'm near rochester ny)
and we fix it, by showing up, and iterating
we just have to remind people: they have to fucking show up
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no
we show up in the primaries and get the left candidate in
this is the lesson of mamdani: the people just bucked the establishment, and made it happen
corporatist dems will not magically decide to become leftists, and anyone who thinks they will must be joking
*we* have to show up and replace them
anyone who doesn't show up in the primaries, then complains the dem candidates suck, needs to shut up: they are the reason why the candidates suck
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but the point is to fix it
not accept it
right?
i always worry about comments like yours because i read them and then i think
"and?"
"and therefore we are doomed"
or
"and therefore get mad and vote"?
@benroyce @andrew @davoyager oh I'm not saying we are doomed I'm just saying we have to force those ppl hand scare them even
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@benroyce @andrew @davoyager oh I'm not saying we are doomed I'm just saying we have to force those ppl hand scare them even
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@miss_rodent @benroyce
It’s much easier when you know to vote Democrat for life. There was never a time that switching to Red made sense to me at all. -
no
we show up in the primaries and get the left candidate in
this is the lesson of mamdani: the people just bucked the establishment, and made it happen
corporatist dems will not magically decide to become leftists, and anyone who thinks they will must be joking
*we* have to show up and replace them
anyone who doesn't show up in the primaries, then complains the dem candidates suck, needs to shut up: they are the reason why the candidates suck
@benroyce Ok so what if leftists do come out to vote in the primaries, but their vote gets split because whoops there happen to be one too many leftish candidates running and then the pro-genocide candidate gets the nomination?
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no
we show up in the primaries and get the left candidate in
this is the lesson of mamdani: the people just bucked the establishment, and made it happen
corporatist dems will not magically decide to become leftists, and anyone who thinks they will must be joking
*we* have to show up and replace them
anyone who doesn't show up in the primaries, then complains the dem candidates suck, needs to shut up: they are the reason why the candidates suck
@benroyce @fathermcgruder AOC also, who shocked the Democrats by defeating a very senior corporate Democrat in a primary.
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@benroyce Ok so what if leftists do come out to vote in the primaries, but their vote gets split because whoops there happen to be one too many leftish candidates running and then the pro-genocide candidate gets the nomination?
i don't understand your complaint
"what if something bad happens"?
of course. there's numerous other scenarios where something can go wrong
or the centrist dem can straight up beat the leftist dem in the primary
and?
the simple point is:
if you vote, you may lose. if you don't vote, you *will* lose
nevermind that if leftists show the fuck up, their concerns will be addressed rather than ignored
no elected official cares about people who don't #vote
you *make them* care
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@benroyce @fathermcgruder AOC also, who shocked the Democrats by defeating a very senior corporate Democrat in a primary.
exactly
i only use the mamdani example because he's more recent
people need to show the fuck up in the primaries if they want leftists in power
simple
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i don't understand your complaint
"what if something bad happens"?
of course. there's numerous other scenarios where something can go wrong
or the centrist dem can straight up beat the leftist dem in the primary
and?
the simple point is:
if you vote, you may lose. if you don't vote, you *will* lose
nevermind that if leftists show the fuck up, their concerns will be addressed rather than ignored
no elected official cares about people who don't #vote
you *make them* care
@benroyce I'm just trying to get clarification on who you think is an entitled moron and under what circumstances. If leftists keep voting blue no matter who, the message that sends is that the Democrats can ignore leftists. We should not encourage that sort of entitlement on behalf of the party.
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@miss_rodent @benroyce
Thanks for your attempt to confuse Democrats. I will vote Democrat 100%. The other pretend-parties have no chance. Your choice: pretend parties or the party that can lift us out of this darkness. -
@benroyce I'm just trying to get clarification on who you think is an entitled moron and under what circumstances. If leftists keep voting blue no matter who, the message that sends is that the Democrats can ignore leftists. We should not encourage that sort of entitlement on behalf of the party.
1. i'm talking about the primaries, where you outright choose a leftist
2. if you think "i'm not voting and i'm sending a message to centrist dems":
it doesn't send anyone any message
they just ignore you
and it means you don't care about trans rights, women's rights, voting rights, immigrants, what is going on in iran right now, etc
to pout and sit things out and risk all of that and more "to send a message" is entitled as fuck
nobody cares about people who don't vote
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@miss_rodent @benroyce
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@miss_rodent @benroyce
Thanks for your attempt to confuse Democrats. I will vote Democrat 100%. The other pretend-parties have no chance. Your choice: pretend parties or the party that can lift us out of this darkness. -
@miss_rodent @benroyce
Thanks for your attempt to confuse Democrats. I will vote Democrat 100%. The other pretend-parties have no chance. Your choice: pretend parties or the party that can lift us out of this darkness.there's nothing wrong with membership in other parties
they can and do vote for dems where it matters
of course there's something wrong with voting for a 3rd party in our stupid FPTP voting system, and dividing the left vote, and helping MAGA win, in crucial elections
but what you see, at least in New York is, for example the dem candidate also appearing on the WFP party line on the voting ballot
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1. i'm talking about the primaries, where you outright choose a leftist
2. if you think "i'm not voting and i'm sending a message to centrist dems":
it doesn't send anyone any message
they just ignore you
and it means you don't care about trans rights, women's rights, voting rights, immigrants, what is going on in iran right now, etc
to pout and sit things out and risk all of that and more "to send a message" is entitled as fuck
nobody cares about people who don't vote
@benroyce Okay, so when a pro-genocide candidate gets nominated, it's best for leftists to vote third-party or write-in in the general. Got it.
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@benroyce Okay, so when a pro-genocide candidate gets nominated, it's best for leftists to vote third-party or write-in in the general. Got it.
if you vote 3rd party you are voting MAGA
in our stupid FPTP voting system you are dividing the left vote and helping MAGA win
and if you stand against harris, for example, due to gaza (ignoring trump?!), then not voting/ 3rd party voting: congratulations, you helped what trump is doing in iran happen
you're talking about feeling pure, for yourself
you don't care what happens in reality
that's entitled
your rationale only helps fascism
a vote is strategy, not a romance
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1. i'm talking about the primaries, where you outright choose a leftist
2. if you think "i'm not voting and i'm sending a message to centrist dems":
it doesn't send anyone any message
they just ignore you
and it means you don't care about trans rights, women's rights, voting rights, immigrants, what is going on in iran right now, etc
to pout and sit things out and risk all of that and more "to send a message" is entitled as fuck
nobody cares about people who don't vote
@benroyce @fathermcgruder including non-voters themselves….
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@benroyce @fathermcgruder including non-voters themselves….
exactly
nonvoters whine a lot about the state of the world, but they don't have an ideological position, they have a psychological position
if you somehow gave them everything they wanted in a candidate, they still wouldn't vote, they would just invent a new impossible purity reason not to vote
they aren't of the left
they are of the party of mindless cynicism, learned helplessness, and toxic idealism
nobody should listen to nonvoters
they are useless lumps
