As always the massive Together Alliance march against the far right already involves a dispute about how many were involved - organisers claim half a million, the police say 50,000 (while admitting they found it difficult to count).

[alex_p_roe@mastodon.world]

@ChrisMayLA6 I like to think more people are aware of what the fascists are up to - hence the resistance. Not helping the far right’s case is the fact that many come across as complete lunatics. It’s the ones hiding in the shadows that are far more scary.

[chrismayla6@zirk.us]

@alex_p_roe

agreed!

[alex_p_roe@mastodon.world]

@ChrisMayLA6 You’re welcome as usual Chris. I do hope the rest of the day gets a little easier

[chrismayla6@zirk.us]

@alex_p_roe

thanks, yes things have eased off....

[markhburton@mstdn.social]

@ChrisMayLA6 Usually a good rule of thumb to average the organisers' and police estimates, but it does sound like the Met are really taking the piss this time.

[2legged@mastodon.ie]

@ChrisMayLA6 Sadly, #NoKings is just a day out for centrists who like cosplaying with a bold slogan.

A real "no kings" movement would have actual goals and demands, and a plan to dismantle the #ImperialPresidency ... but https://www.nokings.org/about-nk has none of that. It's just a fancy label for anti-Trump rallies by the so-called "Democrats" to restore the failed neoliberals to power, removing #Trump's oligarchic fascists with the blue corporate fascists, but without restraining the empire.

[nando161@partyon.xyz]

@2legged @ChrisMayLA6

Antifa: the Anti-fascist Handbook

Mark Bray Antifa: the Anti-fascist Handbook August 2017 First published by Melville House Publishing, September 2017

The Anarchist Library (theanarchistlibrary.org)

[2legged@mastodon.ie]

@nando161 What's your point?

@ChrisMayLA6

[nando161@partyon.xyz]

@2legged @ChrisMayLA6 whats my point and Mark Brays point??

An anarchist insurrection must take place in the present very shortly to overthrow all rightwing fascist ideologies, we are reaching a tipping point where the working class is at mass stress levels, the only way out of this clusterfuck is insurrection.

[chrismayla6@zirk.us]

@ginger_tosser

well there may well be a different between what the know and what they say... which wouldn't be the first time

[chrismayla6@zirk.us]

@2legged

While I'm sure that a significant element, from a distance (at least) it looks a little less singular than that - there would seem to be some (at least) on the NoKings marches who have a more radical game plan... although I cold also be mistaken (I accept)

[2legged@mastodon.ie]

@nando161 I am v sympathetic to anarchist perspectives. But they are a very different prospect to the vague #NoKings campaign, which seems firmly statist.

@ChrisMayLA6

[2legged@mastodon.ie]

@ChrisMayLA6 Yes, there probably are some with a more radical plan, possibly much more radical. There are probably huge debates in private.

But ir's still remarkable that there is absolutely no beef at all on the "#NoKings" slogan. I would have expected at least some specifics

[nando161@partyon.xyz]

@2legged @ChrisMayLA6 and yes us anarchists of all sorts will firmly say fuck the state and fuck statism...

[2legged@mastodon.ie]

@nando161 The world would indeed be a much safer place if #TheGreatSatan were ni longer a state!

But I'm not seeing much of that in these marches

@ChrisMayLA6

[nando161@partyon.xyz]

@2legged @ChrisMayLA6

the world would be a much safer place if an anarchist insurrection took place today....

[nojhan@social.antigene.org]

@ChrisMayLA6 Or just don’t believe the police.