As always the massive Together Alliance march against the far right already involves a dispute about how many were involved - organisers claim half a million, the police say 50,000 (while admitting they found it difficult to count).

[chrismayla6@zirk.us]

@alex_p_roe

thanks, yes things have eased off....

[markhburton@mstdn.social]

@ChrisMayLA6 Usually a good rule of thumb to average the organisers' and police estimates, but it does sound like the Met are really taking the piss this time.

[2legged@mastodon.ie]

@ChrisMayLA6 Sadly, #NoKings is just a day out for centrists who like cosplaying with a bold slogan.

A real "no kings" movement would have actual goals and demands, and a plan to dismantle the #ImperialPresidency ... but https://www.nokings.org/about-nk has none of that. It's just a fancy label for anti-Trump rallies by the so-called "Democrats" to restore the failed neoliberals to power, removing #Trump's oligarchic fascists with the blue corporate fascists, but without restraining the empire.

[nando161@partyon.xyz]

@2legged @ChrisMayLA6

Antifa: the Anti-fascist Handbook

Mark Bray Antifa: the Anti-fascist Handbook August 2017 First published by Melville House Publishing, September 2017

The Anarchist Library (theanarchistlibrary.org)

[2legged@mastodon.ie]

@nando161 What's your point?

@ChrisMayLA6

[nando161@partyon.xyz]

@2legged @ChrisMayLA6 whats my point and Mark Brays point??

An anarchist insurrection must take place in the present very shortly to overthrow all rightwing fascist ideologies, we are reaching a tipping point where the working class is at mass stress levels, the only way out of this clusterfuck is insurrection.

[chrismayla6@zirk.us]

@ginger_tosser

well there may well be a different between what the know and what they say... which wouldn't be the first time

[chrismayla6@zirk.us]

@2legged

While I'm sure that a significant element, from a distance (at least) it looks a little less singular than that - there would seem to be some (at least) on the NoKings marches who have a more radical game plan... although I cold also be mistaken (I accept)

[2legged@mastodon.ie]

@nando161 I am v sympathetic to anarchist perspectives. But they are a very different prospect to the vague #NoKings campaign, which seems firmly statist.

@ChrisMayLA6

[2legged@mastodon.ie]

@ChrisMayLA6 Yes, there probably are some with a more radical plan, possibly much more radical. There are probably huge debates in private.

But ir's still remarkable that there is absolutely no beef at all on the "#NoKings" slogan. I would have expected at least some specifics

[nando161@partyon.xyz]

@2legged @ChrisMayLA6 and yes us anarchists of all sorts will firmly say fuck the state and fuck statism...

[2legged@mastodon.ie]

@nando161 The world would indeed be a much safer place if #TheGreatSatan were ni longer a state!

But I'm not seeing much of that in these marches

@ChrisMayLA6

[nando161@partyon.xyz]

@2legged @ChrisMayLA6

the world would be a much safer place if an anarchist insurrection took place today....

[nojhan@social.antigene.org]

@ChrisMayLA6 Or just don’t believe the police.