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"Russia’s economy minister admits ‘reserves have largely been used up’ while communist lawmaker warns of 1917-style revolution as #GDP shrinks"

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  • benroyce@mastodon.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
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    @retech @DonChacale @farbel @spreadthetruth

    "That women didn't know about primaries"

    what?

    why are you gendering this topic?

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    • farbel@mas.toF This user is from outside of this forum
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      @retech @benroyce @DonChacale @spreadthetruth Performative cynicism will get us nowhere. Generalization will get us nowhere. There are no pure socialist societies. There are no pure capitalist ones either. They are all blends. Intelligent participation adjusts the blend for the better. There is nothing more privileged than calling for revolution, to burn it all down. Because you know you will survive. Want people to vote? Stop telling them their vote doesn't matter.

      the5thcolumnist@ottawa.placeT benroyce@mastodon.socialB a_minion@mastodon.socialA 3 Replies Last reply
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        #44

        @retech @DonChacale @farbel @spreadthetruth

        what?

        where?

        what the fuck is going on

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        • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

          @retech @DonChacale @farbel @spreadthetruth

          what?

          where?

          what the fuck is going on

          retech@corteximplant.comR This user is from outside of this forum
          retech@corteximplant.comR This user is from outside of this forum
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          @benroyce @DonChacale @farbel @spreadthetruth The part I referenced: "...so out did canvassing the other day, a lady said I don't need your literature and we replied with its for the primaries she said I always vote... "

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          • retech@corteximplant.comR retech@corteximplant.com

            @benroyce @DonChacale @farbel @spreadthetruth The part I referenced: "...so out did canvassing the other day, a lady said I don't need your literature and we replied with its for the primaries she said I always vote... "

            retech@corteximplant.comR This user is from outside of this forum
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            @benroyce @DonChacale @farbel @spreadthetruth I just deleted what I said. It will only muddy the waters.

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            • farbel@mas.toF farbel@mas.to

              @retech @benroyce @DonChacale @spreadthetruth Performative cynicism will get us nowhere. Generalization will get us nowhere. There are no pure socialist societies. There are no pure capitalist ones either. They are all blends. Intelligent participation adjusts the blend for the better. There is nothing more privileged than calling for revolution, to burn it all down. Because you know you will survive. Want people to vote? Stop telling them their vote doesn't matter.

              the5thcolumnist@ottawa.placeT This user is from outside of this forum
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              @farbel @retech @benroyce @DonChacale @spreadthetruth

              And just because a country calls itself, socialist, or democratic, or even a republic, does not mean it is one.

              (and beware f those that think that being a republic and a democracy are mutually exclusive)

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              • farbel@mas.toF farbel@mas.to

                @retech @benroyce @DonChacale @spreadthetruth Performative cynicism will get us nowhere. Generalization will get us nowhere. There are no pure socialist societies. There are no pure capitalist ones either. They are all blends. Intelligent participation adjusts the blend for the better. There is nothing more privileged than calling for revolution, to burn it all down. Because you know you will survive. Want people to vote? Stop telling them their vote doesn't matter.

                benroyce@mastodon.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
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                #48

                @farbel @retech @DonChacale @spreadthetruth

                "Because you know you will survive"

                most of those cosplaying revolutionary will not survive a real revolution

                furthermore, revolutions are not bastions of ideological purity. whoever wins could be worse. even if by some miracle something better does win, the new regime will still deal with impotent purists whining "but i want perfect, waah"

                toxic idealists who bizarrely defer to revolution are excuse making for their own uselessness

                farbel@mas.toF skotchygut@social.seattle.wa.usS stevewfolds@mastodon.worldS 3 Replies Last reply
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                • retech@corteximplant.comR retech@corteximplant.com

                  @benroyce @DonChacale @farbel @spreadthetruth I just deleted what I said. It will only muddy the waters.

                  benroyce@mastodon.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @retech @DonChacale @farbel @spreadthetruth

                  ok but you said women, not the woman

                  you should make your point in a general fashion. because you're going to get accused of misogyny, and that would be a fair accusation because of your wording

                  and you didn't have to delete it, just remove the unnecessary gendering

                  it was really bizarre

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                  • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                    @farbel @retech @DonChacale @spreadthetruth

                    "Because you know you will survive"

                    most of those cosplaying revolutionary will not survive a real revolution

                    furthermore, revolutions are not bastions of ideological purity. whoever wins could be worse. even if by some miracle something better does win, the new regime will still deal with impotent purists whining "but i want perfect, waah"

                    toxic idealists who bizarrely defer to revolution are excuse making for their own uselessness

                    farbel@mas.toF This user is from outside of this forum
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                    @benroyce @retech @DonChacale @spreadthetruth "the new regime will still deal with impotent purists whining "but i want perfect, waah" jajajajaja, so true.

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                    • the5thcolumnist@ottawa.placeT the5thcolumnist@ottawa.place

                      @farbel @retech @benroyce @DonChacale @spreadthetruth

                      And just because a country calls itself, socialist, or democratic, or even a republic, does not mean it is one.

                      (and beware f those that think that being a republic and a democracy are mutually exclusive)

                      benroyce@mastodon.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
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                      @the5thColumnist @farbel @retech @DonChacale @spreadthetruth

                      the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is NOT democratic

                      the National Socialist German Workers' Party was NOT socialist

                      etc

                      people forget:

                      1. the historical evolution of a country or party
                      2. ideological terms are complex with muddy contradictory meanings
                      3. that propaganda will paint an ideological term in an unfair light

                      then people will spend twenty years arguing about fucking terminology and forget real issues

                      bridgeenjoyer@gamepad.clubB the_wub@mastodon.socialT 2 Replies Last reply
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                      • farbel@mas.toF farbel@mas.to

                        @retech @benroyce @DonChacale @spreadthetruth Performative cynicism will get us nowhere. Generalization will get us nowhere. There are no pure socialist societies. There are no pure capitalist ones either. They are all blends. Intelligent participation adjusts the blend for the better. There is nothing more privileged than calling for revolution, to burn it all down. Because you know you will survive. Want people to vote? Stop telling them their vote doesn't matter.

                        a_minion@mastodon.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
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                        @farbel @retech @benroyce @DonChacale @spreadthetruth

                        There is no real communism, socialism, democracy, capitalism or any of the other myriad of political constructs. The only way to build a government that is 'for the people' is to start at the bottom & ask the people. Build from the bottom up not the top down. Figure out what to call it after it's done. I lean toward a Democracy however the people define it.

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                        • a_minion@mastodon.socialA a_minion@mastodon.social

                          @farbel @retech @benroyce @DonChacale @spreadthetruth

                          There is no real communism, socialism, democracy, capitalism or any of the other myriad of political constructs. The only way to build a government that is 'for the people' is to start at the bottom & ask the people. Build from the bottom up not the top down. Figure out what to call it after it's done. I lean toward a Democracy however the people define it.

                          farbel@mas.toF This user is from outside of this forum
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                          @A_Minion @retech @benroyce @DonChacale @spreadthetruth "start at the bottom & ask the people." That is voting. Unfortunately a whole lot of people shrug and say "I dunno." or "I don't care." A whole lot more are manipulated into voting against their own interests, and another majority don't understand that, in a democracy, nobody gets everything thery want, so they stay home and bitch instead of doing the work.

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                          • a_minion@mastodon.socialA a_minion@mastodon.social

                            @farbel @retech @benroyce @DonChacale @spreadthetruth

                            There is no real communism, socialism, democracy, capitalism or any of the other myriad of political constructs. The only way to build a government that is 'for the people' is to start at the bottom & ask the people. Build from the bottom up not the top down. Figure out what to call it after it's done. I lean toward a Democracy however the people define it.

                            farbel@mas.toF This user is from outside of this forum
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                            @A_Minion @retech @benroyce @DonChacale @spreadthetruth I would also say that communism, socialism and capitalism are economic constructs, not political. Democracy and authoritarianism and fascism are political constructs.

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                            • farbel@mas.toF farbel@mas.to

                              @A_Minion @retech @benroyce @DonChacale @spreadthetruth I would also say that communism, socialism and capitalism are economic constructs, not political. Democracy and authoritarianism and fascism are political constructs.

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                              @farbel @retech @benroyce @DonChacale @spreadthetruth

                              Won't argue but they get so crossed up that it seems they are all trying to do the same things. No matter what kind of Political theory there is an attached economic platform. They go hand in hand. The KISS principle.

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                              • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                @the5thColumnist @farbel @retech @DonChacale @spreadthetruth

                                the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is NOT democratic

                                the National Socialist German Workers' Party was NOT socialist

                                etc

                                people forget:

                                1. the historical evolution of a country or party
                                2. ideological terms are complex with muddy contradictory meanings
                                3. that propaganda will paint an ideological term in an unfair light

                                then people will spend twenty years arguing about fucking terminology and forget real issues

                                bridgeenjoyer@gamepad.clubB This user is from outside of this forum
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                                @benroyce @the5thColumnist @farbel @retech @DonChacale @spreadthetruth people (especially Americans) are generally not smart, and only believe what talking heads on networks owned by a corrupt billionaire tell them.

                                What's an Americans average reading comprehension level again, 5th grade? Yeah, we are cooked. No wonder we are headed for full on fascism.

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                                • bridgeenjoyer@gamepad.clubB bridgeenjoyer@gamepad.club

                                  @benroyce @the5thColumnist @farbel @retech @DonChacale @spreadthetruth people (especially Americans) are generally not smart, and only believe what talking heads on networks owned by a corrupt billionaire tell them.

                                  What's an Americans average reading comprehension level again, 5th grade? Yeah, we are cooked. No wonder we are headed for full on fascism.

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                                  @bridgeenjoyer @the5thColumnist @farbel @retech @DonChacale @spreadthetruth

                                  i agree except with your conclusion

                                  cynicism is self-fulfilling prophecy

                                  we fight

                                  we always fight

                                  and any argument against fighting, such as cynicism, only aids fascism

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                                  • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                    @bridgeenjoyer @the5thColumnist @farbel @retech @DonChacale @spreadthetruth

                                    i agree except with your conclusion

                                    cynicism is self-fulfilling prophecy

                                    we fight

                                    we always fight

                                    and any argument against fighting, such as cynicism, only aids fascism

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                                    @benroyce @the5thColumnist @farbel @retech @DonChacale @spreadthetruth I'd like to agree ; but I'm really not convincing anyone, just annoying my friends who will further ignore everything I say.

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                                      @Clutha @farbel @A_Minion @retech @benroyce @DonChacale @spreadthetruth they dont do politics until it affects them.

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                                        @Clutha @farbel @A_Minion @retech @DonChacale @spreadthetruth

                                        the answer to

                                        "i don't do politics"

                                        is simple:

                                        "but politics does you

                                        so you better engage, or you will be engaged with on the chosen terms of bigot fascist ghouls who got in power because you ignored politics"

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                                        • farbel@mas.toF farbel@mas.to

                                          @A_Minion @retech @benroyce @DonChacale @spreadthetruth "start at the bottom & ask the people." That is voting. Unfortunately a whole lot of people shrug and say "I dunno." or "I don't care." A whole lot more are manipulated into voting against their own interests, and another majority don't understand that, in a democracy, nobody gets everything thery want, so they stay home and bitch instead of doing the work.

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                                          @farbel @retech @benroyce @DonChacale @spreadthetruth

                                          Yup, so that is why Ben and several others are up here is to push, beg, convince, cajole, intimidate, scream to get people to vote

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