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  • eeveeeuphoria@social.translunar.academyE eeveeeuphoria@social.translunar.academy
    @k3ym0 in today's episode of "this is lazy ai vibe-coded slop":
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    @EeveeEuphoria@social.translunar.academy @k3ym0@infosec.exchange Screams and fades into dust.

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    • eeveeeuphoria@social.translunar.academyE eeveeeuphoria@social.translunar.academy
      @k3ym0 in today's episode of "this is lazy ai vibe-coded slop":
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      @EeveeEuphoria oh noooo 😭

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      • tarix29@tech.lgbtT tarix29@tech.lgbt

        @k3ym0 you may already know this, but on a related note you can tunnel basically any IPv4 traffic over DNS: https://code.kryo.se/iodine/

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        @tarix29 @k3ym0 we used this in uni when data caps were reached... but dns resolves were still allowed 🙂

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        • ck0@tech.lgbtC ck0@tech.lgbt

          @k3ym0 "Bonus: this is a fully functional globally-distributed covert data exfil channel that your NGFW will never fucking see if you're not doing deep DNS inspection. Sleep well."

          Doesn't work anymore for a decade. Most serious companies don't allow DNS queries to servers outside of their network. The only endpoints allowed to do that are the corporate internal DNS.
          With DoH I'm also not sure that will work because of the corporate web proxy.

          To make data exfiltrations there are so many easy ways to do so ... Why spending time to make something over DNS when you can simply upload the files or exploit USB keys, it's not hard to bypass FW and EDR policies.

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          @ck0

          Most serious companies don't allow DNS queries to servers outside of their network.

          Oh my sweet, sweet, child. If only this were true. I could name-drop several multi-billion $ enterprise orgs that still don’t do this.

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          • kajer@infosec.exchangeK kajer@infosec.exchange

            @k3ym0 big DNSFS energy

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            DNSFS. Store your files in others DNS resolver caches

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            (blog.benjojo.co.uk)

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            @kajer @k3ym0 i was thinking of BookmarkFS
            https://github.com/velzie/bookmarkfs

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              DNS outbound tends to be allowed even when other protocols are not. If you run your own DNS server you can use DNS to tunnel any traffic you want. @sabik @arichtman @k3ym0

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              • k3ym0@infosec.exchangeK k3ym0@infosec.exchange

                In today's episode of "Can It Run Doom": DNS fucking TXT records.

                Some absolute madlad (cough Adam Rice cough) compressed the entire shareware DOOM WAD, split it into around 1,964 chunks, shoved them into Cloudflare TXT records, and wrote a PowerShell script that reassembles and runs the whole goddamn game from DNS queries alone. Nothing touches disk. The DLLs are in DNS. THE FUCKING DLLS ARE IN DNS.

                RFC 1035 was written in 1987. Those engineers are spinning in their graves fast enough to generate municipal power.

                Bonus: this is a fully functional globally-distributed covert data exfil channel that your NGFW will never fucking see if you're not doing deep DNS inspection. Sleep well.

                blog: https://blog.rice.is/post/doom-over-dns/

                repo: https://github.com/resumex/doom-over-dns

                Also lmao @ every blue team that has never once looked at their DNS query volume. How's that DLP policy working out for you.

                It was always DNS.

                #infosec #dns #doom #itisalwaysdns

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                @k3ym0 I'd be shocked if most blue teams are competent enough to figure out how to prevent the internal network from using DNS over HTTPS so they can inspect most DNS traffic now anyway
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                • k3ym0@infosec.exchangeK k3ym0@infosec.exchange

                  In today's episode of "Can It Run Doom": DNS fucking TXT records.

                  Some absolute madlad (cough Adam Rice cough) compressed the entire shareware DOOM WAD, split it into around 1,964 chunks, shoved them into Cloudflare TXT records, and wrote a PowerShell script that reassembles and runs the whole goddamn game from DNS queries alone. Nothing touches disk. The DLLs are in DNS. THE FUCKING DLLS ARE IN DNS.

                  RFC 1035 was written in 1987. Those engineers are spinning in their graves fast enough to generate municipal power.

                  Bonus: this is a fully functional globally-distributed covert data exfil channel that your NGFW will never fucking see if you're not doing deep DNS inspection. Sleep well.

                  blog: https://blog.rice.is/post/doom-over-dns/

                  repo: https://github.com/resumex/doom-over-dns

                  Also lmao @ every blue team that has never once looked at their DNS query volume. How's that DLP policy working out for you.

                  It was always DNS.

                  #infosec #dns #doom #itisalwaysdns

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                  @k3ym0 paging @vampiress, @voltagex, etc. 👀

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                  • k3ym0@infosec.exchangeK k3ym0@infosec.exchange

                    In today's episode of "Can It Run Doom": DNS fucking TXT records.

                    Some absolute madlad (cough Adam Rice cough) compressed the entire shareware DOOM WAD, split it into around 1,964 chunks, shoved them into Cloudflare TXT records, and wrote a PowerShell script that reassembles and runs the whole goddamn game from DNS queries alone. Nothing touches disk. The DLLs are in DNS. THE FUCKING DLLS ARE IN DNS.

                    RFC 1035 was written in 1987. Those engineers are spinning in their graves fast enough to generate municipal power.

                    Bonus: this is a fully functional globally-distributed covert data exfil channel that your NGFW will never fucking see if you're not doing deep DNS inspection. Sleep well.

                    blog: https://blog.rice.is/post/doom-over-dns/

                    repo: https://github.com/resumex/doom-over-dns

                    Also lmao @ every blue team that has never once looked at their DNS query volume. How's that DLP policy working out for you.

                    It was always DNS.

                    #infosec #dns #doom #itisalwaysdns

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                    @k3ym0
                    “Those engineers are spinning in their graves”
                    1987 was less than 40 years ago and as far I can tell the author is still alive and active.

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                    • k3ym0@infosec.exchangeK k3ym0@infosec.exchange

                      In today's episode of "Can It Run Doom": DNS fucking TXT records.

                      Some absolute madlad (cough Adam Rice cough) compressed the entire shareware DOOM WAD, split it into around 1,964 chunks, shoved them into Cloudflare TXT records, and wrote a PowerShell script that reassembles and runs the whole goddamn game from DNS queries alone. Nothing touches disk. The DLLs are in DNS. THE FUCKING DLLS ARE IN DNS.

                      RFC 1035 was written in 1987. Those engineers are spinning in their graves fast enough to generate municipal power.

                      Bonus: this is a fully functional globally-distributed covert data exfil channel that your NGFW will never fucking see if you're not doing deep DNS inspection. Sleep well.

                      blog: https://blog.rice.is/post/doom-over-dns/

                      repo: https://github.com/resumex/doom-over-dns

                      Also lmao @ every blue team that has never once looked at their DNS query volume. How's that DLP policy working out for you.

                      It was always DNS.

                      #infosec #dns #doom #itisalwaysdns

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                      @k3ym0 While DOOM is a pretty effective demo, I can't help but feel NES ROMs, which run anywhere from 24KB to 512KB would have been even more effective (and would seriously piss Nintendo off in the process, for a double win)

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                      • k3ym0@infosec.exchangeK k3ym0@infosec.exchange

                        In today's episode of "Can It Run Doom": DNS fucking TXT records.

                        Some absolute madlad (cough Adam Rice cough) compressed the entire shareware DOOM WAD, split it into around 1,964 chunks, shoved them into Cloudflare TXT records, and wrote a PowerShell script that reassembles and runs the whole goddamn game from DNS queries alone. Nothing touches disk. The DLLs are in DNS. THE FUCKING DLLS ARE IN DNS.

                        RFC 1035 was written in 1987. Those engineers are spinning in their graves fast enough to generate municipal power.

                        Bonus: this is a fully functional globally-distributed covert data exfil channel that your NGFW will never fucking see if you're not doing deep DNS inspection. Sleep well.

                        blog: https://blog.rice.is/post/doom-over-dns/

                        repo: https://github.com/resumex/doom-over-dns

                        Also lmao @ every blue team that has never once looked at their DNS query volume. How's that DLP policy working out for you.

                        It was always DNS.

                        #infosec #dns #doom #itisalwaysdns

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                        @k3ym0 holy shit, awesome! this sounds like a passage from @pluralistic little brother, I can't spoil it any further, but it involves dns

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                        • k3ym0@infosec.exchangeK k3ym0@infosec.exchange

                          In today's episode of "Can It Run Doom": DNS fucking TXT records.

                          Some absolute madlad (cough Adam Rice cough) compressed the entire shareware DOOM WAD, split it into around 1,964 chunks, shoved them into Cloudflare TXT records, and wrote a PowerShell script that reassembles and runs the whole goddamn game from DNS queries alone. Nothing touches disk. The DLLs are in DNS. THE FUCKING DLLS ARE IN DNS.

                          RFC 1035 was written in 1987. Those engineers are spinning in their graves fast enough to generate municipal power.

                          Bonus: this is a fully functional globally-distributed covert data exfil channel that your NGFW will never fucking see if you're not doing deep DNS inspection. Sleep well.

                          blog: https://blog.rice.is/post/doom-over-dns/

                          repo: https://github.com/resumex/doom-over-dns

                          Also lmao @ every blue team that has never once looked at their DNS query volume. How's that DLP policy working out for you.

                          It was always DNS.

                          #infosec #dns #doom #itisalwaysdns

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                          @k3ym0 I did long ago work out that DNS is jolly good at distributing fairly static hierarchical datasets, because it inherently caches. For instance, they were once used to route faxes to appropriate gateways on the old tpc.int email to fax service. I also worked out a postcode to address and postcode geocoding schema.

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                          • flo_rian@norden.socialF flo_rian@norden.social

                            @k3ym0
                            “Those engineers are spinning in their graves”
                            1987 was less than 40 years ago and as far I can tell the author is still alive and active.

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                            @Flo_Rian @k3ym0 Yep - first reaction: "Wait, who buried Paul Mockapetris alive?!"

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                              @da_667 @DaveMWilburn @k3ym0 .oO( ip6.arpa PTR )

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                              • k3ym0@infosec.exchangeK k3ym0@infosec.exchange

                                In today's episode of "Can It Run Doom": DNS fucking TXT records.

                                Some absolute madlad (cough Adam Rice cough) compressed the entire shareware DOOM WAD, split it into around 1,964 chunks, shoved them into Cloudflare TXT records, and wrote a PowerShell script that reassembles and runs the whole goddamn game from DNS queries alone. Nothing touches disk. The DLLs are in DNS. THE FUCKING DLLS ARE IN DNS.

                                RFC 1035 was written in 1987. Those engineers are spinning in their graves fast enough to generate municipal power.

                                Bonus: this is a fully functional globally-distributed covert data exfil channel that your NGFW will never fucking see if you're not doing deep DNS inspection. Sleep well.

                                blog: https://blog.rice.is/post/doom-over-dns/

                                repo: https://github.com/resumex/doom-over-dns

                                Also lmao @ every blue team that has never once looked at their DNS query volume. How's that DLP policy working out for you.

                                It was always DNS.

                                #infosec #dns #doom #itisalwaysdns

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                                @k3ym0 holy shit that is next level 'because I could'. Mad props.

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                                • k3ym0@infosec.exchangeK k3ym0@infosec.exchange

                                  In today's episode of "Can It Run Doom": DNS fucking TXT records.

                                  Some absolute madlad (cough Adam Rice cough) compressed the entire shareware DOOM WAD, split it into around 1,964 chunks, shoved them into Cloudflare TXT records, and wrote a PowerShell script that reassembles and runs the whole goddamn game from DNS queries alone. Nothing touches disk. The DLLs are in DNS. THE FUCKING DLLS ARE IN DNS.

                                  RFC 1035 was written in 1987. Those engineers are spinning in their graves fast enough to generate municipal power.

                                  Bonus: this is a fully functional globally-distributed covert data exfil channel that your NGFW will never fucking see if you're not doing deep DNS inspection. Sleep well.

                                  blog: https://blog.rice.is/post/doom-over-dns/

                                  repo: https://github.com/resumex/doom-over-dns

                                  Also lmao @ every blue team that has never once looked at their DNS query volume. How's that DLP policy working out for you.

                                  It was always DNS.

                                  #infosec #dns #doom #itisalwaysdns

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                                  @k3ym0@infosec.exchange
                                  Ho. Lee. Shit
                                  Was it already encoded in morse code?
                                  This clearly HAD to be done, but not by anyone i know.

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                                  • k3ym0@infosec.exchangeK k3ym0@infosec.exchange

                                    @ck0

                                    Most serious companies don't allow DNS queries to servers outside of their network.

                                    Oh my sweet, sweet, child. If only this were true. I could name-drop several multi-billion $ enterprise orgs that still don’t do this.

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                                    @k3ym0 @ck0

                                    Even if they don't allow queries beyond the internal servers. Guess what the internal servers are doing?
                                    They are relaying the queries and answers.

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                                    • da_667@infosec.exchangeD da_667@infosec.exchange

                                      @DaveMWilburn @k3ym0 I'm also somewhat aware that, there are some services that use TXT records for validation (SPF), and I've heard that some apple services use them for their messenger programs. I've also seen Sophos doing incredibly dumb things with TXT records, but my point still stands is that if you have any capacity for DNS logs, then shit like this sticks out like a sore thumb.

                                      However, I can acknowledge my experiences and yours are two different things. Thats fine. I can be wrong.

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                                      @da_667 @DaveMWilburn @k3ym0

                                      DNS logs, a well built forwarding chain, and a properly tuned dashboard will trigger on this in a few hundreds of milliseconds.

                                      But how many enterprises have that? We're still trying to convince people that naked RDP on the Internet is a bad idea, and that industrial control systems shouldn't ship with open telnet and default creds.

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                                        @da_667 @DaveMWilburn @k3ym0

                                        DNS logs, a well built forwarding chain, and a properly tuned dashboard will trigger on this in a few hundreds of milliseconds.

                                        But how many enterprises have that? We're still trying to convince people that naked RDP on the Internet is a bad idea, and that industrial control systems shouldn't ship with open telnet and default creds.

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                                        @johntimaeus @da_667 @DaveMWilburn cries

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                                        • johntimaeus@infosec.exchangeJ johntimaeus@infosec.exchange

                                          @da_667 @DaveMWilburn @k3ym0

                                          DNS logs, a well built forwarding chain, and a properly tuned dashboard will trigger on this in a few hundreds of milliseconds.

                                          But how many enterprises have that? We're still trying to convince people that naked RDP on the Internet is a bad idea, and that industrial control systems shouldn't ship with open telnet and default creds.

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                                          @johntimaeus @da_667 @DaveMWilburn @k3ym0
                                          Industrial controls? They're still shipping household routers with open telnet. Thanks, TP-Link!

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