Following on from the @EUCommission Tech Sovereignty and Open Source Strategy (and Mastodon’s direct mention within it!) that was announced this week…

[argv_minus_one@mastodon.sdf.org]

@benroyce

I needed to hear that right now. Thank you.

I did find this https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/posts/chat-control/#currentproposal which suggests that Fedi/XMPP/FOSS will be exempt from the upcoming age-control requirements, and therefore the discussion can continue here. But I'm not sure if that document is outdated or if I'm misunderstanding.

If anyone could clarify, I would appreciate it.

@vladcampos @esanchis

[esanchis@mastodon.world]

@benroyce @argv_minus_one @vladcampos you are right. I think now I see a different order in toots. Will try to check if it is a UI problem. Thanks!

[dianshuo@mstdn.io]

@benroyce @argv_minus_one @vladcampos @esanchis no. It’s Europe. There is a policy problem and that has been there for a while.

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@dianshuo @argv_minus_one @vladcampos @esanchis

i can't process the assertion that border controls is a uniquely european issue

selective criticism is not a coherent basis

[dianshuo@mstdn.io]

@benroyce @argv_minus_one @vladcampos @esanchis I think you’ve made the leap that I’m talking about border controls. I’m talking about implementing policy regarding using the EU wallet as a gateway into the social stack being a barrier to access outside of the EU (in either direction). If you really want to conflate this then please do get US Customs and Border to ask for id when accessing the US social systems. We will thank you.

[alineblankertz@indieweb.social]

@Mastodon
This obsession with “Europeanness” is really worrying. You suggest that European govt or business interference were not a threat to public-interest infrastructure. But they are.

YES to everything related to decentralisation and democratic principles. NO to the Europe-first bs (and the EU ID wallet of course).
@EUCommission @anewsocial @eurosky.social @newsmast @swf

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@dianshuo @argv_minus_one @vladcampos @esanchis

i still don't understand your complaint because you are still insisting that controls, border or not, are uniquely european in nature

just to be clear: i don't have a problem with your argument about controls, i have a problem with you asserting it is as a europe's problem alone

it's a human problem

if you want to say europe should go another way, ok

but don't form such an argument on the basis of "this is a problem only europe has"

[ikuturso@mastodon.social]

@Mastodon not a big fan of some of the language here. Atmosphere being labeled as "large-scale" or "planet-scale" like its proponents like to do is just pointless.

Bluesky is currently not significantly larger compared to the fediverse and it is shrinking... There's nothing particularly "large" about it. The platforms listed in this under Atmosphere are tiny compared to the fediverse since they want to avoid mentioning the only one with any adoption worth talking about in this context...

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@dianshuo @argv_minus_one @vladcampos @esanchis

furthermore, i do not understand this baseless fear europe would set up a social stack and limit interaction with the outside world

europe will not be isolating itself from the world. and merely because controls exist, in some form, does not mean europe is north korea

it's fearmongering

you are taking an aspect of incremental development, depicting it in an absurd, fearful light, and pretending it is a permanent hurdle

[ikuturso@mastodon.social]

@Mastodon that said, joint efforts to solve shared issues can certainly be a good thing as long as care is taken that they're not helping the $100M VC gorilla across the pond more than these decentralization/European efforts...

[ikuturso@mastodon.social]

@alineblankertz there's a point to it in that it is useful to have EU law be what governs our use of these technologies but I agree that it can be harmful if it is the only thing people focus on since I'd say a truly open community-governed platform is much better than a proprietary one even if ran by Europeans.

@Mastodon @EUCommission

[victor@social.aftermemory.net]

@alineblankertz  @EUCommission @anewsocial  @newsmast @swf
@rwg

Could someone please explain, for dummies like me, what is goin on or the advantages of AT Protocol? Why is interesting for e. G.  @Mastodon? Just because of bluesky? Would not be easier that @eurosky.social just creates an ActivityPub instance? Or go for #publicactivityactivitypub

From the website, I read: 1)controlled by a non profit organization and 2): Is the same EU trying to push #chatcontrol involved? I could not find if it is a W3C standard and everything seems quite confusing

[csolisr@hub.azkware.net]

In that regard, this article covers most of the dangers of assuming an European infrastructure is, per se, a net bonus - unless specific measures are taken to preserve such infrastructure from a hostile takeover from a non-democratic movement within the EU, that infrastructure becomes an engine for such a movement to target its political opponents and suppress free speech. The ID wallet can potentially be used to disenfranchise political opponents, and block entire groups of people from access to information, even under the right hands - and far more so under the wrong ones.

defenddemocracy.eu/eu-tech-dem…

@alineblankertz @EUCommission @anewsocial @newsmast @Mastodon @eurosky.social

[evan@cosocial.ca]

@esanchis absolutely not! Federation keeps people connected across borders.

@Mastodon @EUCommission @anewsocial @eurosky.social @newsmast @swf

[sab@hostux.social]

It's a problem with how threads are handled in Mastodon, whenever you're tagged in a comment it's easy to believe it is directed at yourself. And with the whole thread tagged by default things tend to get messy.
@benroyce @esanchis

[hiphopheaven@mastodon.social]

@Mastodon @EUCommission Europe is in a hybrid conflict on two fronts; our elections and political life are under direct attack from foreign agents who use social media to manipulate public opinion and centre the political agenda to undermine us

The flawed europen democracies at at risk from people and policians within it's member state . Russia and china are simply taking advantage of it and zionist lobbies are trying to keep europe support for settler colonialsm in palestine

[fluffykittycat@furry.engineer]

@argv_minus_one @vladcampos @benroyce@mastodon.social @esanchis age verification is evil and circumventing is is morally correct

[josemachete79@mastodon.social]

@Mastodon @EUCommission @anewsocial @eurosky.social @newsmast @swf signed n shared