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  • chuckmcmanis@chaos.socialC chuckmcmanis@chaos.social

    @gekitsu
    This was the advice I got from a consultant Sun hired to train engineers in giving talks. They argued you can flip slides faster and people will be okay with that if you one or at most two, concepts on your slide in big letters.

    @freakboy3742

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    @ChuckMcManis @freakboy3742 yeah, i’ve seen advice to the same effect several times as well – and it’s remarkable how hard it is to stick with it. the desire to write it all out on the slide is very real.

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    • mdione@en.osm.townM mdione@en.osm.town

      @freakboy3742 320x200, 4 colors (CGA 🙂

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      @mdione @freakboy3742

      And pink and cyan are the only allowed colors 👌

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      • hjwp@fosstodon.orgH hjwp@fosstodon.org

        @david_chisnall @freakboy3742 i worked in consulting for a while. more than half the powerpoints we made were never shown on a projector, they were just an alternative document format for conveying information, to be read on ur laptop.

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        @hjwp @david_chisnall @freakboy3742 This. PowerPoint is often used to write picture book level documents. Often to a standard content format, so seniors/those with short attention spans can just skip to bit they're vaguely accountable for signing off on. It might only be 10 slides, but each one has 6 titles, 15 bullets, and enough words under each one to require punctuation. So they are just distributed as "decks" of self standing information, no presenter required.

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        • etchedpixels@mastodon.socialE etchedpixels@mastodon.social

          @datenwolf @freakboy3742 I think that depends on the audience. When I was giving talks outside the UK I often quite intentionally added more text (and slides) because for a 2nd/3rd/.. language speaker it's common especially in tech that they are strong in written but not spoken form.

          Making copies of the materials available in advance also works wonders, and unlike university lecturers your listeners might actually have read through them.

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          @freakboy3742 @etchedpixels @datenwolf When I worked for a German company, I was told (privately) that the execs were not understanding me because of both their English language skills and absence of technical knowledge. I was told to “dumb it down.” This was irksome at the time but I came to believe it was good advice in general. A presentation is mostly about establishing awareness and connection. People who have a genuine interest will follow-up with you later.

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          • svengeier@mathstodon.xyzS svengeier@mathstodon.xyz

            @mdione @freakboy3742

            And pink and cyan are the only allowed colors 👌

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            @SvenGeier @freakboy3742 pink cyan white and black, not bad 😛

            ok, 800x600, 16 colors, not more 🙂

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              @wolfnowl @freakboy3742 If you read your slides out loud word for word, then people don't tend to register what you've said or written.

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              • freakboy3742@cloudisland.nzF freakboy3742@cloudisland.nz

                RE: https://oldbytes.space/@feoh/116687129039392818

                Advice I was given in my youth:

                Print your slide on a full piece of paper. Put the paper on the ground. Stand on a chair.

                If you can’t easily read your slide, neither can the person at the back of the room.

                It flummoxes me that 30 years into using computers to show slides, tiny fonts in slide is *still* widespread practice.

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                @freakboy3742 I love this mechanic for testing readability!

                We should come up with a variant on this for folks bringing up code or output examples in their terminal/editor/IDE!

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                • freakboy3742@cloudisland.nzF freakboy3742@cloudisland.nz

                  RE: https://oldbytes.space/@feoh/116687129039392818

                  Advice I was given in my youth:

                  Print your slide on a full piece of paper. Put the paper on the ground. Stand on a chair.

                  If you can’t easily read your slide, neither can the person at the back of the room.

                  It flummoxes me that 30 years into using computers to show slides, tiny fonts in slide is *still* widespread practice.

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                  @freakboy3742 the other problem with slides crammed with tiny text is people tend to just read the contents of the slide out

                  I don't know why people put their speech on slides

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                  • guigsy@mstdn.socialG guigsy@mstdn.social

                    @hjwp @david_chisnall @freakboy3742 This. PowerPoint is often used to write picture book level documents. Often to a standard content format, so seniors/those with short attention spans can just skip to bit they're vaguely accountable for signing off on. It might only be 10 slides, but each one has 6 titles, 15 bullets, and enough words under each one to require punctuation. So they are just distributed as "decks" of self standing information, no presenter required.

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                    @guigsy
                    The style that killed thousands of human souls and the seven astronauts on the Columbia

                    https://cs.wheatoncollege.edu/~mgousie/comp401/tufte-powerpoint.pdf

                    @hjwp @david_chisnall @freakboy3742

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                    • freakboy3742@cloudisland.nzF freakboy3742@cloudisland.nz

                      RE: https://oldbytes.space/@feoh/116687129039392818

                      Advice I was given in my youth:

                      Print your slide on a full piece of paper. Put the paper on the ground. Stand on a chair.

                      If you can’t easily read your slide, neither can the person at the back of the room.

                      It flummoxes me that 30 years into using computers to show slides, tiny fonts in slide is *still* widespread practice.

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                      @freakboy3742

                      Canon (not the company) back in the day was a maximum of seven lines of text on a slide.

                      Nothing has changed.

                      @feoh

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                      • freakboy3742@cloudisland.nzF freakboy3742@cloudisland.nz

                        RE: https://oldbytes.space/@feoh/116687129039392818

                        Advice I was given in my youth:

                        Print your slide on a full piece of paper. Put the paper on the ground. Stand on a chair.

                        If you can’t easily read your slide, neither can the person at the back of the room.

                        It flummoxes me that 30 years into using computers to show slides, tiny fonts in slide is *still* widespread practice.

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                        @freakboy3742 The other sin is putting the entire talk onto the slides.

                        If your entire talk is in the slides, why talk?

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                          @HollieK72 @wolfnowl @freakboy3742 to be fair, the first session after lunch when everyone is full isn't good for retention either...

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