Valve massively raised the prices for the Steam Deck:
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I will rent you you a Virtual PC ... But you musst every day lick my ass and when you wrote a Single word what i not like, will cancel your contract and Delete All Your data
Best Future for the new Technical-Overlords
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Valve massively raised the prices for the Steam Deck:
- 1TB OLED $649 -> $949
- 512GB OLED $549 -> $789
The items are out of stock nonetheless.
Get used to the pattern: The unavailable hardware will become unaffordable
The supply chains will die, then the accessory industry will follow. Companies like FixIt may prosper as the PC has now to last a decade.
What remains of the industry will be handed over to China on a silver platter.
#gaming as we knew it is dead. Hope the software devs (or their AI agent) got the memo that their games have to run fine on older hardware.
don't wanna start nothing, but the thing was obsolete when it was introed - AMD APU that has trouble keeping up with 720p gaming and was never upgraded. paying even *half* of that *four* years later is bonkers.
for a *tenth* of its price you can cobble together a super-powerful desktop (comparatively speaking) and use any $20 mobile device to remotely play on it, by way of moonshine et al.
this post brought to you by a 2009 i7-860 and 2017 RX 580.
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Valve massively raised the prices for the Steam Deck:
- 1TB OLED $649 -> $949
- 512GB OLED $549 -> $789
The items are out of stock nonetheless.
Get used to the pattern: The unavailable hardware will become unaffordable
The supply chains will die, then the accessory industry will follow. Companies like FixIt may prosper as the PC has now to last a decade.
What remains of the industry will be handed over to China on a silver platter.
#gaming as we knew it is dead. Hope the software devs (or their AI agent) got the memo that their games have to run fine on older hardware.
@masek
I recently purchased a used business PC from eBay. 12th gen Core i5, 16GB RAM, 256GB SSD, integrated graphics, for $200. Not a gaming rig, but I am not a gamer. This should keep me going for everything else I need a computer for until prices drop/the AI bubble bursts. -
@leberschnitzel I didn't say that.
I said "gaming as we knew it" is dead. Gaming as a whole will always exist.
But the cycle of permanent renewed, always more powerful hardware is broken and will (by my estimate) not come back.
This will drastically change things. Gaming will still exist, but for most players it will look different.
@masek sorry I should have used your full quote, because that's exactly what I disagree with
I agree that the development will change and "games that might have existed will look different or not exist", but "gaming *as we know* it" will stay the same. It might not get higher fidelity anymore, although we see with mobile gaming and Nintendo that this never mattered as much. And those two encapsulate a gigantic majority of gamers. -
Valve massively raised the prices for the Steam Deck:
- 1TB OLED $649 -> $949
- 512GB OLED $549 -> $789
The items are out of stock nonetheless.
Get used to the pattern: The unavailable hardware will become unaffordable
The supply chains will die, then the accessory industry will follow. Companies like FixIt may prosper as the PC has now to last a decade.
What remains of the industry will be handed over to China on a silver platter.
#gaming as we knew it is dead. Hope the software devs (or their AI agent) got the memo that their games have to run fine on older hardware.
@masek
Already used to this, my laptop is 14 years old. I got it preowned from a relative who needed newer hardware and I could use it instead. But my dream of owning my own gaming pc is moving farther and farther away… :[ -
@grutzifix It does not matter anymore. If it were to burst this afternoon, the damage is already done.
It's like the crash you're helplessly forced to watch happen.
@masek why?
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@masek get ready for chinese GPUs because AMD and Ngreedia said goodbye to PC gaming
https://uk.pcmag.com/graphics-cards/165114/china-just-made-a-gpu-thats-powerful-enough-for-gaming-but-theres-a-catch@Robbes0211 @masek unpopular opinion:
PC processors and GPUs have been good enough for years and the development slowdown/longer cycles aren't a bad thing. Games are not bound by the limitations of a mid-range CPU or GPU now, the choices the developer makes are much more impactful.
I use 4-8 year old hardware and barely notice the difference between it and the latest. My son has a fantastic gaming experience on a PC with similar specs to a Steam Machine Mk2.
Yes, the AI effects on the market suck, but the gamer culture of always wanting to build beefier rigs was getting toxically absurd and pointless. We don't need to double specs at the edge every two years anymore; we shouldn't even want to.
I feel the same way about the processing power in PCs. We just don't need office computers to have 32GB RAM and terabytes of fast storage. That stuff is fun, but what we need is for developers to target operating systems and software at reasonable levels and stop expecting the installed edge to ride Moore's Law forever.
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don't wanna start nothing, but the thing was obsolete when it was introed - AMD APU that has trouble keeping up with 720p gaming and was never upgraded. paying even *half* of that *four* years later is bonkers.
for a *tenth* of its price you can cobble together a super-powerful desktop (comparatively speaking) and use any $20 mobile device to remotely play on it, by way of moonshine et al.
this post brought to you by a 2009 i7-860 and 2017 RX 580.
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Valve massively raised the prices for the Steam Deck:
- 1TB OLED $649 -> $949
- 512GB OLED $549 -> $789
The items are out of stock nonetheless.
Get used to the pattern: The unavailable hardware will become unaffordable
The supply chains will die, then the accessory industry will follow. Companies like FixIt may prosper as the PC has now to last a decade.
What remains of the industry will be handed over to China on a silver platter.
#gaming as we knew it is dead. Hope the software devs (or their AI agent) got the memo that their games have to run fine on older hardware.
@masek Glad I bought one (that I currently dont use much) about half a year ago.
Unfortunately, I was also considering to buy a new PC back then, but delayed the decision.
Now that's delayed for quite a while at least. -
Valve massively raised the prices for the Steam Deck:
- 1TB OLED $649 -> $949
- 512GB OLED $549 -> $789
The items are out of stock nonetheless.
Get used to the pattern: The unavailable hardware will become unaffordable
The supply chains will die, then the accessory industry will follow. Companies like FixIt may prosper as the PC has now to last a decade.
What remains of the industry will be handed over to China on a silver platter.
#gaming as we knew it is dead. Hope the software devs (or their AI agent) got the memo that their games have to run fine on older hardware.
@masek@infosec.exchange
One way or the other, we're fucked:
* If the AI bubble bursts, the economy will be left in shambles
* If it doesn't burst, nobody will be able to afford devices
Even if the goal is "run everything in the cloude" (though AWS killing Luna and Google previously killing Stadia, that seems no longer viable), you still need a device with enough local RAM and rendering-capability to act as a cloud-gaming client. -
@Robbes0211 @masek unpopular opinion:
PC processors and GPUs have been good enough for years and the development slowdown/longer cycles aren't a bad thing. Games are not bound by the limitations of a mid-range CPU or GPU now, the choices the developer makes are much more impactful.
I use 4-8 year old hardware and barely notice the difference between it and the latest. My son has a fantastic gaming experience on a PC with similar specs to a Steam Machine Mk2.
Yes, the AI effects on the market suck, but the gamer culture of always wanting to build beefier rigs was getting toxically absurd and pointless. We don't need to double specs at the edge every two years anymore; we shouldn't even want to.
I feel the same way about the processing power in PCs. We just don't need office computers to have 32GB RAM and terabytes of fast storage. That stuff is fun, but what we need is for developers to target operating systems and software at reasonable levels and stop expecting the installed edge to ride Moore's Law forever.
@DarcMoughty @Robbes0211 @masek Agreed on the gamer take. My m4 mini rocks most games in even Crossover just fine.
But some office computers absolutely need RAM. One of our main systems is browser based and eats RAM alive. This is a major industry customer CRM, nothing crazy. It should probably be a much more efficient app but that wouldn’t be as updateable for them nor run on any OS so RAM is crucial for a smooth operation. All of our laptops have 32GB RAM to keep them going at full speed.
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Valve massively raised the prices for the Steam Deck:
- 1TB OLED $649 -> $949
- 512GB OLED $549 -> $789
The items are out of stock nonetheless.
Get used to the pattern: The unavailable hardware will become unaffordable
The supply chains will die, then the accessory industry will follow. Companies like FixIt may prosper as the PC has now to last a decade.
What remains of the industry will be handed over to China on a silver platter.
#gaming as we knew it is dead. Hope the software devs (or their AI agent) got the memo that their games have to run fine on older hardware.
@masek why? there will be more sensible and national security aware supply chaina. China can't produce yet what is being bought up by Datacenters (their own too). BUT they will and there will be a demand destruction by oversupply following a starvation... like Hormuz and most economies around the world will go back to the stone age if they don't ease up in few months.
There will be a sdram national memory company that goes IPO in Shanghai, it will look like a missile in the chart imo.
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Valve massively raised the prices for the Steam Deck:
- 1TB OLED $649 -> $949
- 512GB OLED $549 -> $789
The items are out of stock nonetheless.
Get used to the pattern: The unavailable hardware will become unaffordable
The supply chains will die, then the accessory industry will follow. Companies like FixIt may prosper as the PC has now to last a decade.
What remains of the industry will be handed over to China on a silver platter.
#gaming as we knew it is dead. Hope the software devs (or their AI agent) got the memo that their games have to run fine on older hardware.
@masek I was going to say 'that's ridiculous' but the price of a 1TB SN850X has gone from $60 (2023) to $273 (February, currently $222), ~$200 difference. I suppose other components have gone up too. It still seems damned expensive though, as they will get economies of scale
Very glad I bought a 4070 Super last year, and a second hand ten year old workstation with lots of memory to test things on.
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Valve massively raised the prices for the Steam Deck:
- 1TB OLED $649 -> $949
- 512GB OLED $549 -> $789
The items are out of stock nonetheless.
Get used to the pattern: The unavailable hardware will become unaffordable
The supply chains will die, then the accessory industry will follow. Companies like FixIt may prosper as the PC has now to last a decade.
What remains of the industry will be handed over to China on a silver platter.
#gaming as we knew it is dead. Hope the software devs (or their AI agent) got the memo that their games have to run fine on older hardware.
However the actual hardware in use is good enough for further software development for the next years, as it is massively oversized. Fixit becoming a major player is not a bad thing. And letting China taking over the hardware delivery in the next years is a political decision we are making by voting for politics which is far from society orientation.
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@masek I found a Wii with a stack of games on the curb a few weeks ago. Gaming has never been so alive
@ascii158 LUCKY! The wii is surprisingly expensive 2nd hand these days... must be folks picking up "retro" consoles
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@masek
I recently purchased a used business PC from eBay. 12th gen Core i5, 16GB RAM, 256GB SSD, integrated graphics, for $200. Not a gaming rig, but I am not a gamer. This should keep me going for everything else I need a computer for until prices drop/the AI bubble bursts.@BoloMKXXVIII you could also hook up an external GPU , if the motherboard supports it.
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@DarcMoughty @Robbes0211 @masek Agreed on the gamer take. My m4 mini rocks most games in even Crossover just fine.
But some office computers absolutely need RAM. One of our main systems is browser based and eats RAM alive. This is a major industry customer CRM, nothing crazy. It should probably be a much more efficient app but that wouldn’t be as updateable for them nor run on any OS so RAM is crucial for a smooth operation. All of our laptops have 32GB RAM to keep them going at full speed.
@quarterswede @Robbes0211 @masek I know a lot of apps are inefficient, but what I'm saying is that the app you mention should be reworked so it doesn't just gobble what is now a precious resource. Office endpoints shouldn't need 32GB RAM the same way a good looking video game shouldn't need a $400 GPU. Windows shouldn't eat 10GB just to get to the desktop.
I'm normally in favor of the march of progress and an understanding that newer things are bigger, but several things have changed in the last five years that should have us re-examining our traditional patterns. I don't think the things operating system and app developers are delivering by targeting larger systems are... actually in anyone's best interest.
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@BoloMKXXVIII you could also hook up an external GPU , if the motherboard supports it.
@jessienab not a gamer, so not an issue.
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@masek I disagree strongly with the "gaming is dead" part.
Indy games that run on shitty hardware will persist, simply because they also can't afford better hardware to develop on.
AAA gaming is dead. Or will force you to use streaming services.
For me personally most AAA developers / publishers are already on a "no buy" list, so it's not really a change.@leberschnitzel @masek There are some ambitious indies who have made games that don't really work on older hardware: hardware from 2019, even. The point is that you need to have the knowledge and capabilities to make games that run on older hardware, and there ARE people with that knowledge. We just need to all share it with eachother, and I don't mean for those contributions to solely be a slide presentation/talk at some convention.
That being said, we have a huge archive of games even if people stop making as much, and we may need them to stop so everyone has time to strengthen their knowledge base.
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@quarterswede @Robbes0211 @masek I know a lot of apps are inefficient, but what I'm saying is that the app you mention should be reworked so it doesn't just gobble what is now a precious resource. Office endpoints shouldn't need 32GB RAM the same way a good looking video game shouldn't need a $400 GPU. Windows shouldn't eat 10GB just to get to the desktop.
I'm normally in favor of the march of progress and an understanding that newer things are bigger, but several things have changed in the last five years that should have us re-examining our traditional patterns. I don't think the things operating system and app developers are delivering by targeting larger systems are... actually in anyone's best interest.
@DarcMoughty @Robbes0211 @masek I don’t disagree. A webpage shouldn’t eat 1GB for each tab but when you’re dealing with massive (national level) SQL tables, that’s the reality. To be fair, this CRM was coded well before AI coding madness so is not inefficiencies from that. It’s more to do with, we have the space so why should we spend time on making the code smaller and more efficient, that I agree with.
