Valve massively raised the prices for the Steam Deck:
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@masek @ravetracer_22 I've been thinking about similar scenarios for some time.
We could do with old hardware for some time (I have a 17 year old laptop that is working and OK), except for the HDDs/SSDs.
I found no options in the consumer market that would last 10 years without significant data loss.
@emilis @ravetracer_22 We're heading into "interesting times".
I foresee a market (in 10 years), where you pay per minute. Current AAA games cost $5 per hour, old titles a few cents.
Your console is a stupid terminal that gets the game streamed from a datacenter. It may even be just an app in your TV.
There will be some people playing old games on old or self-built hardware. Those will be looked upon with suspicion.
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@ravetracer_22 I think that will become an important discipline again. At least for those software devs who will survive.
ha we gonna burn AI tokens to make software that uses less energy because we can’t afford more powerful hardware as its all hoarded by AI companies…
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@emilis @ravetracer_22 We're heading into "interesting times".
I foresee a market (in 10 years), where you pay per minute. Current AAA games cost $5 per hour, old titles a few cents.
Your console is a stupid terminal that gets the game streamed from a datacenter. It may even be just an app in your TV.
There will be some people playing old games on old or self-built hardware. Those will be looked upon with suspicion.
Buy paper books, now, while they're still available...
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Valve massively raised the prices for the Steam Deck:
- 1TB OLED $649 -> $949
- 512GB OLED $549 -> $789
The items are out of stock nonetheless.
Get used to the pattern: The unavailable hardware will become unaffordable
The supply chains will die, then the accessory industry will follow. Companies like FixIt may prosper as the PC has now to last a decade.
What remains of the industry will be handed over to China on a silver platter.
#gaming as we knew it is dead. Hope the software devs (or their AI agent) got the memo that their games have to run fine on older hardware.
I hope GTA VI will run on my Casio fx-991 /s
I think gaming on a PC will be degenarate from this now higher Specs to a lower Tier.
we will in a couple of years dream from the games we play now.
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@grutzifix @masek go watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyQwAhppWj8 (or at least the first half hour or so)
The industry is dying. There will be nothing left at the end.
I will rent you you a Virtual PC ... But you musst every day lick my ass and when you wrote a Single word what i not like, will cancel your contract and Delete All Your data
Best Future for the new Technical-Overlords
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@masek Honestly, I would be fine with a sequel to Super Mario 64.
@alpacamale @masek Mario Galaxy is still the GOAT and both games just got remastered for the switch so...
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I will rent you you a Virtual PC ... But you musst every day lick my ass and when you wrote a Single word what i not like, will cancel your contract and Delete All Your data
Best Future for the new Technical-Overlords
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Valve massively raised the prices for the Steam Deck:
- 1TB OLED $649 -> $949
- 512GB OLED $549 -> $789
The items are out of stock nonetheless.
Get used to the pattern: The unavailable hardware will become unaffordable
The supply chains will die, then the accessory industry will follow. Companies like FixIt may prosper as the PC has now to last a decade.
What remains of the industry will be handed over to China on a silver platter.
#gaming as we knew it is dead. Hope the software devs (or their AI agent) got the memo that their games have to run fine on older hardware.
don't wanna start nothing, but the thing was obsolete when it was introed - AMD APU that has trouble keeping up with 720p gaming and was never upgraded. paying even *half* of that *four* years later is bonkers.
for a *tenth* of its price you can cobble together a super-powerful desktop (comparatively speaking) and use any $20 mobile device to remotely play on it, by way of moonshine et al.
this post brought to you by a 2009 i7-860 and 2017 RX 580.
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Valve massively raised the prices for the Steam Deck:
- 1TB OLED $649 -> $949
- 512GB OLED $549 -> $789
The items are out of stock nonetheless.
Get used to the pattern: The unavailable hardware will become unaffordable
The supply chains will die, then the accessory industry will follow. Companies like FixIt may prosper as the PC has now to last a decade.
What remains of the industry will be handed over to China on a silver platter.
#gaming as we knew it is dead. Hope the software devs (or their AI agent) got the memo that their games have to run fine on older hardware.
@masek
I recently purchased a used business PC from eBay. 12th gen Core i5, 16GB RAM, 256GB SSD, integrated graphics, for $200. Not a gaming rig, but I am not a gamer. This should keep me going for everything else I need a computer for until prices drop/the AI bubble bursts. -
@leberschnitzel I didn't say that.
I said "gaming as we knew it" is dead. Gaming as a whole will always exist.
But the cycle of permanent renewed, always more powerful hardware is broken and will (by my estimate) not come back.
This will drastically change things. Gaming will still exist, but for most players it will look different.
@masek sorry I should have used your full quote, because that's exactly what I disagree with
I agree that the development will change and "games that might have existed will look different or not exist", but "gaming *as we know* it" will stay the same. It might not get higher fidelity anymore, although we see with mobile gaming and Nintendo that this never mattered as much. And those two encapsulate a gigantic majority of gamers. -
Valve massively raised the prices for the Steam Deck:
- 1TB OLED $649 -> $949
- 512GB OLED $549 -> $789
The items are out of stock nonetheless.
Get used to the pattern: The unavailable hardware will become unaffordable
The supply chains will die, then the accessory industry will follow. Companies like FixIt may prosper as the PC has now to last a decade.
What remains of the industry will be handed over to China on a silver platter.
#gaming as we knew it is dead. Hope the software devs (or their AI agent) got the memo that their games have to run fine on older hardware.
@masek
Already used to this, my laptop is 14 years old. I got it preowned from a relative who needed newer hardware and I could use it instead. But my dream of owning my own gaming pc is moving farther and farther away… :[ -
@grutzifix It does not matter anymore. If it were to burst this afternoon, the damage is already done.
It's like the crash you're helplessly forced to watch happen.
@masek why?
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@masek get ready for chinese GPUs because AMD and Ngreedia said goodbye to PC gaming
https://uk.pcmag.com/graphics-cards/165114/china-just-made-a-gpu-thats-powerful-enough-for-gaming-but-theres-a-catch@Robbes0211 @masek unpopular opinion:
PC processors and GPUs have been good enough for years and the development slowdown/longer cycles aren't a bad thing. Games are not bound by the limitations of a mid-range CPU or GPU now, the choices the developer makes are much more impactful.
I use 4-8 year old hardware and barely notice the difference between it and the latest. My son has a fantastic gaming experience on a PC with similar specs to a Steam Machine Mk2.
Yes, the AI effects on the market suck, but the gamer culture of always wanting to build beefier rigs was getting toxically absurd and pointless. We don't need to double specs at the edge every two years anymore; we shouldn't even want to.
I feel the same way about the processing power in PCs. We just don't need office computers to have 32GB RAM and terabytes of fast storage. That stuff is fun, but what we need is for developers to target operating systems and software at reasonable levels and stop expecting the installed edge to ride Moore's Law forever.
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don't wanna start nothing, but the thing was obsolete when it was introed - AMD APU that has trouble keeping up with 720p gaming and was never upgraded. paying even *half* of that *four* years later is bonkers.
for a *tenth* of its price you can cobble together a super-powerful desktop (comparatively speaking) and use any $20 mobile device to remotely play on it, by way of moonshine et al.
this post brought to you by a 2009 i7-860 and 2017 RX 580.
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Valve massively raised the prices for the Steam Deck:
- 1TB OLED $649 -> $949
- 512GB OLED $549 -> $789
The items are out of stock nonetheless.
Get used to the pattern: The unavailable hardware will become unaffordable
The supply chains will die, then the accessory industry will follow. Companies like FixIt may prosper as the PC has now to last a decade.
What remains of the industry will be handed over to China on a silver platter.
#gaming as we knew it is dead. Hope the software devs (or their AI agent) got the memo that their games have to run fine on older hardware.
@masek Glad I bought one (that I currently dont use much) about half a year ago.
Unfortunately, I was also considering to buy a new PC back then, but delayed the decision.
Now that's delayed for quite a while at least. -
Valve massively raised the prices for the Steam Deck:
- 1TB OLED $649 -> $949
- 512GB OLED $549 -> $789
The items are out of stock nonetheless.
Get used to the pattern: The unavailable hardware will become unaffordable
The supply chains will die, then the accessory industry will follow. Companies like FixIt may prosper as the PC has now to last a decade.
What remains of the industry will be handed over to China on a silver platter.
#gaming as we knew it is dead. Hope the software devs (or their AI agent) got the memo that their games have to run fine on older hardware.
@masek@infosec.exchange
One way or the other, we're fucked:
* If the AI bubble bursts, the economy will be left in shambles
* If it doesn't burst, nobody will be able to afford devices
Even if the goal is "run everything in the cloude" (though AWS killing Luna and Google previously killing Stadia, that seems no longer viable), you still need a device with enough local RAM and rendering-capability to act as a cloud-gaming client. -
@Robbes0211 @masek unpopular opinion:
PC processors and GPUs have been good enough for years and the development slowdown/longer cycles aren't a bad thing. Games are not bound by the limitations of a mid-range CPU or GPU now, the choices the developer makes are much more impactful.
I use 4-8 year old hardware and barely notice the difference between it and the latest. My son has a fantastic gaming experience on a PC with similar specs to a Steam Machine Mk2.
Yes, the AI effects on the market suck, but the gamer culture of always wanting to build beefier rigs was getting toxically absurd and pointless. We don't need to double specs at the edge every two years anymore; we shouldn't even want to.
I feel the same way about the processing power in PCs. We just don't need office computers to have 32GB RAM and terabytes of fast storage. That stuff is fun, but what we need is for developers to target operating systems and software at reasonable levels and stop expecting the installed edge to ride Moore's Law forever.
@DarcMoughty @Robbes0211 @masek Agreed on the gamer take. My m4 mini rocks most games in even Crossover just fine.
But some office computers absolutely need RAM. One of our main systems is browser based and eats RAM alive. This is a major industry customer CRM, nothing crazy. It should probably be a much more efficient app but that wouldn’t be as updateable for them nor run on any OS so RAM is crucial for a smooth operation. All of our laptops have 32GB RAM to keep them going at full speed.
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Valve massively raised the prices for the Steam Deck:
- 1TB OLED $649 -> $949
- 512GB OLED $549 -> $789
The items are out of stock nonetheless.
Get used to the pattern: The unavailable hardware will become unaffordable
The supply chains will die, then the accessory industry will follow. Companies like FixIt may prosper as the PC has now to last a decade.
What remains of the industry will be handed over to China on a silver platter.
#gaming as we knew it is dead. Hope the software devs (or their AI agent) got the memo that their games have to run fine on older hardware.
@masek why? there will be more sensible and national security aware supply chaina. China can't produce yet what is being bought up by Datacenters (their own too). BUT they will and there will be a demand destruction by oversupply following a starvation... like Hormuz and most economies around the world will go back to the stone age if they don't ease up in few months.
There will be a sdram national memory company that goes IPO in Shanghai, it will look like a missile in the chart imo.
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Valve massively raised the prices for the Steam Deck:
- 1TB OLED $649 -> $949
- 512GB OLED $549 -> $789
The items are out of stock nonetheless.
Get used to the pattern: The unavailable hardware will become unaffordable
The supply chains will die, then the accessory industry will follow. Companies like FixIt may prosper as the PC has now to last a decade.
What remains of the industry will be handed over to China on a silver platter.
#gaming as we knew it is dead. Hope the software devs (or their AI agent) got the memo that their games have to run fine on older hardware.
@masek I was going to say 'that's ridiculous' but the price of a 1TB SN850X has gone from $60 (2023) to $273 (February, currently $222), ~$200 difference. I suppose other components have gone up too. It still seems damned expensive though, as they will get economies of scale
Very glad I bought a 4070 Super last year, and a second hand ten year old workstation with lots of memory to test things on.
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Valve massively raised the prices for the Steam Deck:
- 1TB OLED $649 -> $949
- 512GB OLED $549 -> $789
The items are out of stock nonetheless.
Get used to the pattern: The unavailable hardware will become unaffordable
The supply chains will die, then the accessory industry will follow. Companies like FixIt may prosper as the PC has now to last a decade.
What remains of the industry will be handed over to China on a silver platter.
#gaming as we knew it is dead. Hope the software devs (or their AI agent) got the memo that their games have to run fine on older hardware.
However the actual hardware in use is good enough for further software development for the next years, as it is massively oversized. Fixit becoming a major player is not a bad thing. And letting China taking over the hardware delivery in the next years is a political decision we are making by voting for politics which is far from society orientation.
As always we will get what the democratic majority votes for.
