Valve massively raised the prices for the Steam Deck:
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@masek I disagree strongly with the "gaming is dead" part.
Indy games that run on shitty hardware will persist, simply because they also can't afford better hardware to develop on.
AAA gaming is dead. Or will force you to use streaming services.
For me personally most AAA developers / publishers are already on a "no buy" list, so it's not really a change.@leberschnitzel I didn't say that.
I said "gaming as we knew it" is dead. Gaming as a whole will always exist.
But the cycle of permanent renewed, always more powerful hardware is broken and will (by my estimate) not come back.
This will drastically change things. Gaming will still exist, but for most players it will look different.
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Valve massively raised the prices for the Steam Deck:
- 1TB OLED $649 -> $949
- 512GB OLED $549 -> $789
The items are out of stock nonetheless.
Get used to the pattern: The unavailable hardware will become unaffordable
The supply chains will die, then the accessory industry will follow. Companies like FixIt may prosper as the PC has now to last a decade.
What remains of the industry will be handed over to China on a silver platter.
#gaming as we knew it is dead. Hope the software devs (or their AI agent) got the memo that their games have to run fine on older hardware.
Yep, as the situation is worsening and prices will remain high at least for a couple of years , if not for the next decade (depends on the future of AI industry ), developers should think to create games (and software) that can run fine even on older hw.
I don't think the vast majority of people can justify spending large amounts of money for gaming....or in order to run local AI etc.
And Windslop (Nadella) plan to gradually make Windows12 a thin client platform, just to subscribe to their Office and AI / Cloud services....
Thanks Lord I use Linux.... -
@masek
I hope the AI bubble will burst sooner than later.@grutzifix @masek go watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyQwAhppWj8 (or at least the first half hour or so)
The industry is dying. There will be nothing left at the end.
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Yep, as the situation is worsening and prices will remain high at least for a couple of years , if not for the next decade (depends on the future of AI industry ), developers should think to create games (and software) that can run fine even on older hw.
I don't think the vast majority of people can justify spending large amounts of money for gaming....or in order to run local AI etc.
And Windslop (Nadella) plan to gradually make Windows12 a thin client platform, just to subscribe to their Office and AI / Cloud services....
Thanks Lord I use Linux....@andre123 There will be no more market for Gaming PCs at home. The manufacturers will die or pivot to other markets. Software Devs will write for Cloud and Service platforms. What remains of the market will be very small...
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@andre123 There will be no more market for Gaming PCs at home. The manufacturers will die or pivot to other markets. Software Devs will write for Cloud and Service platforms. What remains of the market will be very small...
It may be, indeed !
I didn't think about this outcome, and I really don't like the idea of all computing , including gaming, in the cloud
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Valve massively raised the prices for the Steam Deck:
- 1TB OLED $649 -> $949
- 512GB OLED $549 -> $789
The items are out of stock nonetheless.
Get used to the pattern: The unavailable hardware will become unaffordable
The supply chains will die, then the accessory industry will follow. Companies like FixIt may prosper as the PC has now to last a decade.
What remains of the industry will be handed over to China on a silver platter.
#gaming as we knew it is dead. Hope the software devs (or their AI agent) got the memo that their games have to run fine on older hardware.
@masek Honestly, I would be fine with a sequel to Super Mario 64.
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@ravetracer_22 This will be sequence:
- Component crisis: supply chains for some components fail (we're right here)
- Hardware crisis: all supply chains crash
- Accessory crisis: the followup-business will fail and crash
- Software crisis: the software released does not match the available hardware
@masek @ravetracer_22 I've been thinking about similar scenarios for some time.
We could do with old hardware for some time (I have a 17 year old laptop that is working and OK), except for the HDDs/SSDs.
I found no options in the consumer market that would last 10 years without significant data loss.
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@masek @ravetracer_22 I've been thinking about similar scenarios for some time.
We could do with old hardware for some time (I have a 17 year old laptop that is working and OK), except for the HDDs/SSDs.
I found no options in the consumer market that would last 10 years without significant data loss.
@emilis @ravetracer_22 We're heading into "interesting times".
I foresee a market (in 10 years), where you pay per minute. Current AAA games cost $5 per hour, old titles a few cents.
Your console is a stupid terminal that gets the game streamed from a datacenter. It may even be just an app in your TV.
There will be some people playing old games on old or self-built hardware. Those will be looked upon with suspicion.
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@ravetracer_22 I think that will become an important discipline again. At least for those software devs who will survive.
ha we gonna burn AI tokens to make software that uses less energy because we can’t afford more powerful hardware as its all hoarded by AI companies…
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@emilis @ravetracer_22 We're heading into "interesting times".
I foresee a market (in 10 years), where you pay per minute. Current AAA games cost $5 per hour, old titles a few cents.
Your console is a stupid terminal that gets the game streamed from a datacenter. It may even be just an app in your TV.
There will be some people playing old games on old or self-built hardware. Those will be looked upon with suspicion.
Buy paper books, now, while they're still available...
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Valve massively raised the prices for the Steam Deck:
- 1TB OLED $649 -> $949
- 512GB OLED $549 -> $789
The items are out of stock nonetheless.
Get used to the pattern: The unavailable hardware will become unaffordable
The supply chains will die, then the accessory industry will follow. Companies like FixIt may prosper as the PC has now to last a decade.
What remains of the industry will be handed over to China on a silver platter.
#gaming as we knew it is dead. Hope the software devs (or their AI agent) got the memo that their games have to run fine on older hardware.
I hope GTA VI will run on my Casio fx-991 /s
I think gaming on a PC will be degenarate from this now higher Specs to a lower Tier.
we will in a couple of years dream from the games we play now.
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@grutzifix @masek go watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyQwAhppWj8 (or at least the first half hour or so)
The industry is dying. There will be nothing left at the end.
I will rent you you a Virtual PC ... But you musst every day lick my ass and when you wrote a Single word what i not like, will cancel your contract and Delete All Your data
Best Future for the new Technical-Overlords
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@masek Honestly, I would be fine with a sequel to Super Mario 64.
@alpacamale @masek Mario Galaxy is still the GOAT and both games just got remastered for the switch so...
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I will rent you you a Virtual PC ... But you musst every day lick my ass and when you wrote a Single word what i not like, will cancel your contract and Delete All Your data
Best Future for the new Technical-Overlords
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Valve massively raised the prices for the Steam Deck:
- 1TB OLED $649 -> $949
- 512GB OLED $549 -> $789
The items are out of stock nonetheless.
Get used to the pattern: The unavailable hardware will become unaffordable
The supply chains will die, then the accessory industry will follow. Companies like FixIt may prosper as the PC has now to last a decade.
What remains of the industry will be handed over to China on a silver platter.
#gaming as we knew it is dead. Hope the software devs (or their AI agent) got the memo that their games have to run fine on older hardware.
don't wanna start nothing, but the thing was obsolete when it was introed - AMD APU that has trouble keeping up with 720p gaming and was never upgraded. paying even *half* of that *four* years later is bonkers.
for a *tenth* of its price you can cobble together a super-powerful desktop (comparatively speaking) and use any $20 mobile device to remotely play on it, by way of moonshine et al.
this post brought to you by a 2009 i7-860 and 2017 RX 580.
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Valve massively raised the prices for the Steam Deck:
- 1TB OLED $649 -> $949
- 512GB OLED $549 -> $789
The items are out of stock nonetheless.
Get used to the pattern: The unavailable hardware will become unaffordable
The supply chains will die, then the accessory industry will follow. Companies like FixIt may prosper as the PC has now to last a decade.
What remains of the industry will be handed over to China on a silver platter.
#gaming as we knew it is dead. Hope the software devs (or their AI agent) got the memo that their games have to run fine on older hardware.
@masek
I recently purchased a used business PC from eBay. 12th gen Core i5, 16GB RAM, 256GB SSD, integrated graphics, for $200. Not a gaming rig, but I am not a gamer. This should keep me going for everything else I need a computer for until prices drop/the AI bubble bursts. -
@leberschnitzel I didn't say that.
I said "gaming as we knew it" is dead. Gaming as a whole will always exist.
But the cycle of permanent renewed, always more powerful hardware is broken and will (by my estimate) not come back.
This will drastically change things. Gaming will still exist, but for most players it will look different.
@masek sorry I should have used your full quote, because that's exactly what I disagree with
I agree that the development will change and "games that might have existed will look different or not exist", but "gaming *as we know* it" will stay the same. It might not get higher fidelity anymore, although we see with mobile gaming and Nintendo that this never mattered as much. And those two encapsulate a gigantic majority of gamers. -
Valve massively raised the prices for the Steam Deck:
- 1TB OLED $649 -> $949
- 512GB OLED $549 -> $789
The items are out of stock nonetheless.
Get used to the pattern: The unavailable hardware will become unaffordable
The supply chains will die, then the accessory industry will follow. Companies like FixIt may prosper as the PC has now to last a decade.
What remains of the industry will be handed over to China on a silver platter.
#gaming as we knew it is dead. Hope the software devs (or their AI agent) got the memo that their games have to run fine on older hardware.
@masek
Already used to this, my laptop is 14 years old. I got it preowned from a relative who needed newer hardware and I could use it instead. But my dream of owning my own gaming pc is moving farther and farther away… :[ -
@grutzifix It does not matter anymore. If it were to burst this afternoon, the damage is already done.
It's like the crash you're helplessly forced to watch happen.
@masek why?
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@masek get ready for chinese GPUs because AMD and Ngreedia said goodbye to PC gaming
https://uk.pcmag.com/graphics-cards/165114/china-just-made-a-gpu-thats-powerful-enough-for-gaming-but-theres-a-catch@Robbes0211 @masek unpopular opinion:
PC processors and GPUs have been good enough for years and the development slowdown/longer cycles aren't a bad thing. Games are not bound by the limitations of a mid-range CPU or GPU now, the choices the developer makes are much more impactful.
I use 4-8 year old hardware and barely notice the difference between it and the latest. My son has a fantastic gaming experience on a PC with similar specs to a Steam Machine Mk2.
Yes, the AI effects on the market suck, but the gamer culture of always wanting to build beefier rigs was getting toxically absurd and pointless. We don't need to double specs at the edge every two years anymore; we shouldn't even want to.
I feel the same way about the processing power in PCs. We just don't need office computers to have 32GB RAM and terabytes of fast storage. That stuff is fun, but what we need is for developers to target operating systems and software at reasonable levels and stop expecting the installed edge to ride Moore's Law forever.
