"Where to buy a non-Apple, non-Google smartphone"

[janvlug@mastodon.social]

@AAMfP The force to using #apps from #bigtech is really annoying. There is a page in Dutch about it:

Bied weerstand tegen appdwang! | appdwang.nl

Bied weerstand tegen appdwang en laat je geen apps opdringen! Op appdwang.nl vind je praktijkvoorbeelden en argumenten om duidelijk te maken wat je van appdwang vindt.

(appdwang.nl)

Personally, I resist using apps that only are provided and work on big tech platforms. I manage to do most of what I want.

Regarding the price, see: https://mastodon.social/@janvlug/116510085888567116

#appdwang

[janvlug@mastodon.social]

@mihamarkic Yes, but the FOSS itself is not hosted. If you use for example #PureOS you just install it on your phone (or other device). It is self hosted on your device, so not under US jurisdiction.

So, using a US cloud provider means US jurisdiction, which I also do not want to fall under that for my data.

But for example, I self host #Nextcloud, and use that with PureOS on my #Librem5 (and other computers). This is perfectly fine even regarding the fact that PureOS is not EU based.

[mihamarkic@mastodon.social]

@janvlug Yep, agreed, no problems with the data there.

[janvlug@mastodon.social]

@okias @khleedril @signalapp

I agree on the fact that using third-party builds imposes a risk. Unfortunately, Signal has not been very #MobileLinux friendly. But I think things are getting better and better. There is als an official #appimage in the making. Not sure if it will run on arm64 though.

Major expansion of Signal for Linux, announces AppImage

Signal Desktop will soon be officially released as an AppImage. This will make Signal accessible on all Linux distributions, not just Debian-based systems.

AboutSignal (aboutsignal.com)

[lucyinchat@app.wafrn.net]

@janvlug@mastodon.social @mihamarkic@mastodon.social

A slightly clearer way to say this: “Well, yeah. But you don’t have to use a host in the US. For example, you can host it yourself or on a VPS far away from the US.”

[mihamarkic@mastodon.social]

@lucyinchat @janvlug It's not just do not host in the US. It's more like hosting with US providers where data might still be contained within the EU and at the same time not secure.

[janvlug@mastodon.social]

@lucyinchat

Thanks, but let me add to this: if you use a host in e.g. the EU, but the company providing the host is a US company, you are still under US jurisdiction. So it is not the location of the host that is important, but the jurisdiction of the company providing the host.

@mihamarkic

[okias@floss.social]

@janvlug @khleedril @signalapp it's same underlying tech (e.g. Electron), thus no. There is open big about arm64, but not much progress there.

[janvlug@mastodon.social]

@stonykark I do not really understand your question. The API's of what? Are you referring to the #Librem5? The Librem 5 is basically just a Linux device. The operating system is by default #PureOS, a #Debian derivative.

[janvlug@mastodon.social]

@huntingdon

Regarding the price see: https://mastodon.social/@janvlug/116510085888567116

There are no is no monthly fee for the #Librem5 itself. You can use it with the provider of your choice.

You can take a totally optional #PureOS subscription though: https://puri.sm/posts/pureos-optional-subscription-added-to-advance-development/ Such subscription will help funding the advancement of PureOS. Which in the end will also help the #MobileLinux eco system.

[debacle@framapiaf.org]

@AAMfP @janvlug

I have a classic #Pinephone with #Mobian. Was around 240 € back then, IIRC. Of course, none of the apps you mentioned would work on it, which is one of the reasons I bought that #smartphone in the first place I don't want such apps, if they aren't #freeSoftware.