"Where to buy a non-Apple, non-Google smartphone"
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@janvlug @codo It's a modem firmware bug that we have no control over. There are workarounds with various tradeoffs, you could put a watchdog for it too. In practice, for me it's only a minor annoyance since flipping the switch is so fast, but I can see it being disruptive for certain use cases.
Fortunately the modem is easily replaceable so we won't be stuck with this forever.
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@janvlug Is encrypted messaging available? Signal?
@khleedril I use Signal Desktop on the #Librem5, installed as #flatpak (unofficial).
Apparently, @signalapp is working towards having Signal Desktop fully independent of the Android and iOS apps.
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@khleedril I use Signal Desktop on the #Librem5, installed as #flatpak (unofficial).
Apparently, @signalapp is working towards having Signal Desktop fully independent of the Android and iOS apps.
@janvlug @khleedril @signalapp I wouldn't recommend compromising Signal's security by using third-party builds. Sadly, the arm64 Electron version isn't fixed yet (same problem on my Asahi laptop), and it's hard to say when it will be. For now, I use Flare—the only missing feature is calls, which I really miss.
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@janvlug
Can you use Signal and some kind of OpenStreetMap navigation? Can you use Android apps in general and is it complicated? Or is it more like using whatever could run on Linux desktop?You can use Android apps with #Wayland on the #Librem5. But personally, I have no experience with Wayland.
For navigation (#openstreetmap based), I use #PureMaps (https://flathub.org/en/apps/io.github.rinigus.PureMaps) and just looking at GNOME maps (https://flathub.org/en/apps/org.gnome.Maps).
Indeed, it is like using whatever could run on the #Linux desktop. Ideally, adaptive applications:
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@janvlug
Except for the fact that they all are way out of my budget for a phone (I don't want to waste more than 200 € for a phone!), I'm not sure all "mandatory" apps I have to use are compatible with those phones (bank, government, SPID, school and health-related, ...) and anyway I won't spend such money unless I'm sure of that.
Sorry, would really love to switch (especially to EU phones!), but can't afford that.@AAMfP The force to using #apps from #bigtech is really annoying. There is a page in Dutch about it:
Bied weerstand tegen appdwang! | appdwang.nl
Bied weerstand tegen appdwang en laat je geen apps opdringen! Op appdwang.nl vind je praktijkvoorbeelden en argumenten om duidelijk te maken wat je van appdwang vindt.
(appdwang.nl)
Personally, I resist using apps that only are provided and work on big tech platforms. I manage to do most of what I want.
Regarding the price, see: https://mastodon.social/@janvlug/116510085888567116
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@janvlug How so? If an American company is hosting the cloud (regardless of what software they use), they fall under US jurisdiction no matter where data is stored. And US jurisdiction is a huge risk. If you care about your data that is.
@mihamarkic Yes, but the FOSS itself is not hosted. If you use for example #PureOS you just install it on your phone (or other device). It is self hosted on your device, so not under US jurisdiction.
So, using a US cloud provider means US jurisdiction, which I also do not want to fall under that for my data.
But for example, I self host #Nextcloud, and use that with PureOS on my #Librem5 (and other computers). This is perfectly fine even regarding the fact that PureOS is not EU based.
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@mihamarkic Yes, but the FOSS itself is not hosted. If you use for example #PureOS you just install it on your phone (or other device). It is self hosted on your device, so not under US jurisdiction.
So, using a US cloud provider means US jurisdiction, which I also do not want to fall under that for my data.
But for example, I self host #Nextcloud, and use that with PureOS on my #Librem5 (and other computers). This is perfectly fine even regarding the fact that PureOS is not EU based.
@janvlug Yep, agreed, no problems with the data there.
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@janvlug @khleedril @signalapp I wouldn't recommend compromising Signal's security by using third-party builds. Sadly, the arm64 Electron version isn't fixed yet (same problem on my Asahi laptop), and it's hard to say when it will be. For now, I use Flare—the only missing feature is calls, which I really miss.
I agree on the fact that using third-party builds imposes a risk. Unfortunately, Signal has not been very #MobileLinux friendly. But I think things are getting better and better. There is als an official #appimage in the making. Not sure if it will run on arm64 though.
Major expansion of Signal for Linux, announces AppImage
Signal Desktop will soon be officially released as an AppImage. This will make Signal accessible on all Linux distributions, not just Debian-based systems.
AboutSignal (aboutsignal.com)
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@mihamarkic Yes, but the FOSS itself is not hosted. If you use for example #PureOS you just install it on your phone (or other device). It is self hosted on your device, so not under US jurisdiction.
So, using a US cloud provider means US jurisdiction, which I also do not want to fall under that for my data.
But for example, I self host #Nextcloud, and use that with PureOS on my #Librem5 (and other computers). This is perfectly fine even regarding the fact that PureOS is not EU based.
@janvlug@mastodon.social @mihamarkic@mastodon.social
A slightly clearer way to say this: “Well, yeah. But you don’t have to use a host in the US. For example, you can host it yourself or on a VPS far away from the US.”
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@janvlug@mastodon.social @mihamarkic@mastodon.social
A slightly clearer way to say this: “Well, yeah. But you don’t have to use a host in the US. For example, you can host it yourself or on a VPS far away from the US.”
@lucyinchat @janvlug It's not just do not host in the US. It's more like hosting with US providers where data might still be contained within the EU and at the same time not secure.
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@janvlug@mastodon.social @mihamarkic@mastodon.social
A slightly clearer way to say this: “Well, yeah. But you don’t have to use a host in the US. For example, you can host it yourself or on a VPS far away from the US.”
Thanks, but let me add to this: if you use a host in e.g. the EU, but the company providing the host is a US company, you are still under US jurisdiction. So it is not the location of the host that is important, but the jurisdiction of the company providing the host.
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I agree on the fact that using third-party builds imposes a risk. Unfortunately, Signal has not been very #MobileLinux friendly. But I think things are getting better and better. There is als an official #appimage in the making. Not sure if it will run on arm64 though.
Major expansion of Signal for Linux, announces AppImage
Signal Desktop will soon be officially released as an AppImage. This will make Signal accessible on all Linux distributions, not just Debian-based systems.
AboutSignal (aboutsignal.com)
@janvlug @khleedril @signalapp it's same underlying tech (e.g. Electron), thus no. There is open big about arm64, but not much progress there.
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@janvlug what languages are the APIs available in?
@stonykark I do not really understand your question. The API's of what? Are you referring to the #Librem5? The Librem 5 is basically just a Linux device. The operating system is by default #PureOS, a #Debian derivative.
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Sure, everyone can have a Librem5 smartphone, if they want to pay double for it and triple for the monthly access and fees.
Great idea. Needs a more affordable business model.
Regarding the price see: https://mastodon.social/@janvlug/116510085888567116
There are no is no monthly fee for the #Librem5 itself. You can use it with the provider of your choice.
You can take a totally optional #PureOS subscription though: https://puri.sm/posts/pureos-optional-subscription-added-to-advance-development/ Such subscription will help funding the advancement of PureOS. Which in the end will also help the #MobileLinux eco system.
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@janvlug
Except for the fact that they all are way out of my budget for a phone (I don't want to waste more than 200 € for a phone!), I'm not sure all "mandatory" apps I have to use are compatible with those phones (bank, government, SPID, school and health-related, ...) and anyway I won't spend such money unless I'm sure of that.
Sorry, would really love to switch (especially to EU phones!), but can't afford that.I have a classic #Pinephone with #Mobian. Was around 240 € back then, IIRC. Of course, none of the apps you mentioned would work on it, which is one of the reasons I bought that #smartphone in the first place
I don't want such apps, if they aren't #freeSoftware.
