I have a classic #Pinephone with #Mobian. Was around 240 € back then, IIRC. Of course, none of the apps you mentioned would work on it, which is one of the reasons I bought that #smartphone in the first place I don't want such apps, if they aren't #freeSoftware.

Regarding the price see: https://mastodon.social/@janvlug/116510085888567116

There are no is no monthly fee for the #Librem5 itself. You can use it with the provider of your choice.

You can take a totally optional #PureOS subscription though: https://puri.sm/posts/pureos-optional-subscription-added-to-advance-development/ Such subscription will help funding the advancement of PureOS. Which in the end will also help the #MobileLinux eco system.

Thanks, but let me add to this: if you use a host in e.g. the EU, but the company providing the host is a US company, you are still under US jurisdiction. So it is not the location of the host that is important, but the jurisdiction of the company providing the host.

@mihamarkic

A slightly clearer way to say this: “Well, yeah. But you don’t have to use a host in the US. For example, you can host it yourself or on a VPS far away from the US.”

I agree on the fact that using third-party builds imposes a risk. Unfortunately, Signal has not been very #MobileLinux friendly. But I think things are getting better and better. There is als an official #appimage in the making. Not sure if it will run on arm64 though.

Major expansion of Signal for Linux, announces AppImage

Signal Desktop will soon be officially released as an AppImage. This will make Signal accessible on all Linux distributions, not just Debian-based systems.

AboutSignal (aboutsignal.com)

So, using a US cloud provider means US jurisdiction, which I also do not want to fall under that for my data.

But for example, I self host #Nextcloud, and use that with PureOS on my #Librem5 (and other computers). This is perfectly fine even regarding the fact that PureOS is not EU based.

Bied weerstand tegen appdwang! | appdwang.nl

Bied weerstand tegen appdwang en laat je geen apps opdringen! Op appdwang.nl vind je praktijkvoorbeelden en argumenten om duidelijk te maken wat je van appdwang vindt.

(appdwang.nl)

Personally, I resist using apps that only are provided and work on big tech platforms. I manage to do most of what I want.

Regarding the price, see: https://mastodon.social/@janvlug/116510085888567116

#appdwang

You can use Android apps with #Wayland on the #Librem5. But personally, I have no experience with Wayland.

For navigation (#openstreetmap based), I use #PureMaps (https://flathub.org/en/apps/io.github.rinigus.PureMaps) and just looking at GNOME maps (https://flathub.org/en/apps/org.gnome.Maps).

Indeed, it is like using whatever could run on the #Linux desktop. Ideally, adaptive applications:

Mobile Apps | Flathub

Apps for your Linux phones and tablets

Flathub - Apps for Linux (flathub.org)

Wow. Good to hear. I have patience, and I can handle inconvenience to have freedom. And the inconvenience regarding the connectivity loss nowadays is very minor.

Thanks for all your work, every update the #Librem5 is getting better, highly appreciated!

@codo

Apparently, @signalapp is working towards having Signal Desktop fully independent of the Android and iOS apps.

See also: https://aboutsignal.com/news/signal-desktop-without-a-mobile-phone-standalone-version-in-development/

There is an interesting page in Dutch about #appdwang:

Bied weerstand tegen appdwang! | appdwang.nl

Bied weerstand tegen appdwang en laat je geen apps opdringen! Op appdwang.nl vind je praktijkvoorbeelden en argumenten om duidelijk te maken wat je van appdwang vindt.

(appdwang.nl)

I can bank via the browser, everything below €5000 (I use ASNBank). Identity verification sucks, but often there are options to do it without an app as well. Like going with your id to an office, or someone is visiting you to verify your id.

The Librem 5 has kill switches to physically switch of wifi, gsm, camera, and microphone.

Hardware Kill Switches – Purism

There is an increasing threat of cameras and microphones being used to spy on you. Leaked documents have shown plans from the NSA to infect “millions” of computers with malware called CAPTIVATEDAUDIENCE (which turns a computer’s microphone into a bug) and GUMFISH (which turns your camera into a spycam). Such attacks will only become more …

Purism (puri.sm)

I oppose #appdwang (in Dutch):

Bied weerstand tegen appdwang! | appdwang.nl

Bied weerstand tegen appdwang en laat je geen apps opdringen! Op appdwang.nl vind je praktijkvoorbeelden en argumenten om duidelijk te maken wat je van appdwang vindt.

(appdwang.nl)

It is possible to support the PureOS development though:

https://puri.sm/posts/pureos-optional-subscription-added-to-advance-development/

But that would cost you even more.

From the other side, the devices have longer support than the average Android phone.

Maybe you can try to get a second hands device via:

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Fortunately the modem is easily replaceable so we won't be stuck with this forever.

From a first glance these look like Android devices to me. Personally, I think Android is on a dead end when it comes to being aligned with free software principles.

I really prefer #MobileLinux.

Unfortunately modem data still breaks now and then. To place it in perspective, I loose mobile internet at most once in a few days nowadays. Lack of connectivity is clearly indicated by an icon in the top bar when it happens, so you are at least aware of it.
I have the impression that this connectivity loss happens less and less, but that is a subjective impression. Maybe I should try to measure to be more exact.

@dos