Age restriction is not a solution for young kids addicted to social media
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The problem is that we have two fundamentally irreconcilable requirements.
1. Privacy
2. SecurityPick one.
@nf3xn We need to teach kids about those two
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I would even argue that’s it’s more harmful to keep kids off of social media
If they gain no experience whatsoever and dive in on their 18th birthday in the current state.. well
Instead of banning it, how about teaching about it
@stux This is so close to being the war on drugs
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Many adults are also addicted to social media, this would also help in solving that
Just because you turn a certain age it’s suddenly okay to be glued to the screen all day and spoon fed content decided by the companies
Lets be real, the problem is not age per se, its the social media companies these days
@stux Here in Brazil some people are trying to end the infinite scroll. Idk if it's going to be only to kids or anything like that, but at least it's a great first step.
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@nf3xn We need to teach kids about those two
@stux I think it high suspicious that all these countries suddenly show an interest in chat control and age verification everywhere and all at once when clearly different countries have entirely different tolerances. And I would have more grounds than most people to be. The "Lions, Tigers and Bears" has always been "Criminals, Terrorists and Pedos". Legitimate concerns wrapping something more sinister omitting an even worse threat: Fascists, who ironically are usually all of the above. /1
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I would even argue that’s it’s more harmful to keep kids off of social media
If they gain no experience whatsoever and dive in on their 18th birthday in the current state.. well
Instead of banning it, how about teaching about it
Second that. And since we are having a hard time to effectively fight the algorithm data mining companies, I'd like to see state and local authorities to set up their own masto/ppertube etc and also in the idea of public service make and fund content for the fediverse.
I'd like to move my kids from YT to the fediverse, but there's almost nothing there that could remotely interest them. And me alone, I can't find or aggregate what little there is.
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Age restriction is not a solution for young kids addicted to social media
The solution is to put a wrecking ball to the exploiting algorithms that try to keep these kids on the platforms for as long as possible to show them as many ads as possible
Age verification is just another tool to keep taps on everyone
Start with the root of the problem and knock on doors from Meta to start with
@stux age
Verification is the same as tobacco, alcohol, dugs: it frames the actual problem as a "parenting" problem, instead of the issue of creating the harm in the first place.
It's time to end the Algorithm at its source.
No More Tracking.
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@stux I think it high suspicious that all these countries suddenly show an interest in chat control and age verification everywhere and all at once when clearly different countries have entirely different tolerances. And I would have more grounds than most people to be. The "Lions, Tigers and Bears" has always been "Criminals, Terrorists and Pedos". Legitimate concerns wrapping something more sinister omitting an even worse threat: Fascists, who ironically are usually all of the above. /1
@stux And it is not like these challenges have not already existed for pre-internet broadcasting. It's an attempt to abdicate parental responsibility. Maybe you should know what sites your children are accessing and restrict that on the device. Too hard? OK don't have kids then. Maybe we need a 'daytime internet'
I would be ok with just banning porn sites completely. Certainly if it is that or my privacy then sorry wankers time to resurrect your local DVD store. -
Second that. And since we are having a hard time to effectively fight the algorithm data mining companies, I'd like to see state and local authorities to set up their own masto/ppertube etc and also in the idea of public service make and fund content for the fediverse.
I'd like to move my kids from YT to the fediverse, but there's almost nothing there that could remotely interest them. And me alone, I can't find or aggregate what little there is.
The sketchy thing about the whole "restrict social media" thingy is: no one debates what should even count as "social media". This is set up for making a bunch of rules that over- and underrestrict in non-predictable but nevertheless well exploitable ways anyway.
Which means, obviously, like you are into, the thing to restrict are various aspects of algorithms, not "social media".
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Age restriction is not a solution for young kids addicted to social media
The solution is to put a wrecking ball to the exploiting algorithms that try to keep these kids on the platforms for as long as possible to show them as many ads as possible
Age verification is just another tool to keep taps on everyone
Start with the root of the problem and knock on doors from Meta to start with
@stux whatever anyone says I'll not let my kid to use phone untill he turn 18+. No matter if it's open source or other big tech companies. I know better than anyone for my kid. Everyone need some restrictions in their life to understand the difference between right and wrong.
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I would even argue that’s it’s more harmful to keep kids off of social media
If they gain no experience whatsoever and dive in on their 18th birthday in the current state.. well
Instead of banning it, how about teaching about it
@stux tangentially related, even as a non drinker, I’ve often thought the US drinking age was too high. In Europe, it’s much lower (afaik) which means kids can get it out of their system while they’re at home with family, instead of doing more stupid things the first time they get freedom.
(Also agree the companies should be regulated to remove the manipulative behavior) -
@stux whatever anyone says I'll not let my kid to use phone untill he turn 18+. No matter if it's open source or other big tech companies. I know better than anyone for my kid. Everyone need some restrictions in their life to understand the difference between right and wrong.
@GOKUSHRM That is a choice indeed! But do consider https://mstdn.social/@stux/116414129912923876
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@GOKUSHRM That is a choice indeed! But do consider https://mstdn.social/@stux/116414129912923876
@stux I/we all have lived this period in life when our parents were trying to teach us about so many unnecessary things. And I'm sure no one listened them
, so u can't teach anyone untill they are not eligible to understand that (because of low age). Same thing in current time with our kids. We should tell them about necessary or unnecessary things or right wrongs but without using these social stuffs or vampire mobile devices. When time comes they ll start using all these stuffs accordingly -
Age restriction is not a solution for young kids addicted to social media
The solution is to put a wrecking ball to the exploiting algorithms that try to keep these kids on the platforms for as long as possible to show them as many ads as possible
Age verification is just another tool to keep taps on everyone
Start with the root of the problem and knock on doors from Meta to start with
@stux The root of the problem are not the companies. The root of the problem is as you alluded to the system - who owns the platforms and the means of social interaction (hint hint).
The solution is therefore re-writing corporate law. Socialize social media.
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@stux whatever anyone says I'll not let my kid to use phone untill he turn 18+. No matter if it's open source or other big tech companies. I know better than anyone for my kid. Everyone need some restrictions in their life to understand the difference between right and wrong.
That won't help a thing. Your kids will use the school provided device - you won't be able to take it away because they really do have homework they need to do on it. Of course what they will really be doing the moment you turn your back is playing one of the not-approved non-homework things that the school hasn't blocked yet - the school will figure it out in a week, but by then there will be 2 more and each one is going to spread fast between kids in school.
I'm a parent, the above is my reality.
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Age restriction is not a solution for young kids addicted to social media
The solution is to put a wrecking ball to the exploiting algorithms that try to keep these kids on the platforms for as long as possible to show them as many ads as possible
Age verification is just another tool to keep taps on everyone
Start with the root of the problem and knock on doors from Meta to start with
@stux While I agree, experience shows that this is very hard to do. Look at online gambling. An outright ban is unlikely to survive a legal challenge and regulating specific practices becomes a costly and protracted game of cat and mouse.
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@stux I/we all have lived this period in life when our parents were trying to teach us about so many unnecessary things. And I'm sure no one listened them
, so u can't teach anyone untill they are not eligible to understand that (because of low age). Same thing in current time with our kids. We should tell them about necessary or unnecessary things or right wrongs but without using these social stuffs or vampire mobile devices. When time comes they ll start using all these stuffs accordingly@GOKUSHRM I understand but there is another aspect to this;
If you never introduce kids to tech, they will never know if thats where they passion lies
I wish my parents introduced me to tech sooner since i would be much further then where i am
Aaron Swartz is a good example
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That won't help a thing. Your kids will use the school provided device - you won't be able to take it away because they really do have homework they need to do on it. Of course what they will really be doing the moment you turn your back is playing one of the not-approved non-homework things that the school hasn't blocked yet - the school will figure it out in a week, but by then there will be 2 more and each one is going to spread fast between kids in school.
I'm a parent, the above is my reality.
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That won't help a thing. Your kids will use the school provided device - you won't be able to take it away because they really do have homework they need to do on it. Of course what they will really be doing the moment you turn your back is playing one of the not-approved non-homework things that the school hasn't blocked yet - the school will figure it out in a week, but by then there will be 2 more and each one is going to spread fast between kids in school.
I'm a parent, the above is my reality.
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@GOKUSHRM I understand but there is another aspect to this;
If you never introduce kids to tech, they will never know if thats where they passion lies
I wish my parents introduced me to tech sooner since i would be much further then where i am
Aaron Swartz is a good example
@stux introduction of anything doesn't mean we have to give these things in hand of our children's. We can teach them or introduce them by verbally. Or by showing them in our presence. But just providing them any digital product and let them play with in our absence not teaching.
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I would even argue that’s it’s more harmful to keep kids off of social media
If they gain no experience whatsoever and dive in on their 18th birthday in the current state.. well
Instead of banning it, how about teaching about it
@stux yes, the whole discourse seems to be slipping into "verify and ban" as the excuse not to hold big tech accountable but also to allow lazy parents to feel good about their lazyness.
