Age restriction is not a solution for young kids addicted to social media
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I would even argue that’s it’s more harmful to keep kids off of social media
If they gain no experience whatsoever and dive in on their 18th birthday in the current state.. well
Instead of banning it, how about teaching about it
@stux tangentially related, even as a non drinker, I’ve often thought the US drinking age was too high. In Europe, it’s much lower (afaik) which means kids can get it out of their system while they’re at home with family, instead of doing more stupid things the first time they get freedom.
(Also agree the companies should be regulated to remove the manipulative behavior) -
@stux whatever anyone says I'll not let my kid to use phone untill he turn 18+. No matter if it's open source or other big tech companies. I know better than anyone for my kid. Everyone need some restrictions in their life to understand the difference between right and wrong.
@GOKUSHRM That is a choice indeed! But do consider https://mstdn.social/@stux/116414129912923876
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@GOKUSHRM That is a choice indeed! But do consider https://mstdn.social/@stux/116414129912923876
@stux I/we all have lived this period in life when our parents were trying to teach us about so many unnecessary things. And I'm sure no one listened them
, so u can't teach anyone untill they are not eligible to understand that (because of low age). Same thing in current time with our kids. We should tell them about necessary or unnecessary things or right wrongs but without using these social stuffs or vampire mobile devices. When time comes they ll start using all these stuffs accordingly -
Age restriction is not a solution for young kids addicted to social media
The solution is to put a wrecking ball to the exploiting algorithms that try to keep these kids on the platforms for as long as possible to show them as many ads as possible
Age verification is just another tool to keep taps on everyone
Start with the root of the problem and knock on doors from Meta to start with
@stux The root of the problem are not the companies. The root of the problem is as you alluded to the system - who owns the platforms and the means of social interaction (hint hint).
The solution is therefore re-writing corporate law. Socialize social media.
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@stux whatever anyone says I'll not let my kid to use phone untill he turn 18+. No matter if it's open source or other big tech companies. I know better than anyone for my kid. Everyone need some restrictions in their life to understand the difference between right and wrong.
That won't help a thing. Your kids will use the school provided device - you won't be able to take it away because they really do have homework they need to do on it. Of course what they will really be doing the moment you turn your back is playing one of the not-approved non-homework things that the school hasn't blocked yet - the school will figure it out in a week, but by then there will be 2 more and each one is going to spread fast between kids in school.
I'm a parent, the above is my reality.
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Age restriction is not a solution for young kids addicted to social media
The solution is to put a wrecking ball to the exploiting algorithms that try to keep these kids on the platforms for as long as possible to show them as many ads as possible
Age verification is just another tool to keep taps on everyone
Start with the root of the problem and knock on doors from Meta to start with
@stux While I agree, experience shows that this is very hard to do. Look at online gambling. An outright ban is unlikely to survive a legal challenge and regulating specific practices becomes a costly and protracted game of cat and mouse.
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@stux I/we all have lived this period in life when our parents were trying to teach us about so many unnecessary things. And I'm sure no one listened them
, so u can't teach anyone untill they are not eligible to understand that (because of low age). Same thing in current time with our kids. We should tell them about necessary or unnecessary things or right wrongs but without using these social stuffs or vampire mobile devices. When time comes they ll start using all these stuffs accordingly@GOKUSHRM I understand but there is another aspect to this;
If you never introduce kids to tech, they will never know if thats where they passion lies
I wish my parents introduced me to tech sooner since i would be much further then where i am
Aaron Swartz is a good example
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That won't help a thing. Your kids will use the school provided device - you won't be able to take it away because they really do have homework they need to do on it. Of course what they will really be doing the moment you turn your back is playing one of the not-approved non-homework things that the school hasn't blocked yet - the school will figure it out in a week, but by then there will be 2 more and each one is going to spread fast between kids in school.
I'm a parent, the above is my reality.
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That won't help a thing. Your kids will use the school provided device - you won't be able to take it away because they really do have homework they need to do on it. Of course what they will really be doing the moment you turn your back is playing one of the not-approved non-homework things that the school hasn't blocked yet - the school will figure it out in a week, but by then there will be 2 more and each one is going to spread fast between kids in school.
I'm a parent, the above is my reality.
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@GOKUSHRM I understand but there is another aspect to this;
If you never introduce kids to tech, they will never know if thats where they passion lies
I wish my parents introduced me to tech sooner since i would be much further then where i am
Aaron Swartz is a good example
@stux introduction of anything doesn't mean we have to give these things in hand of our children's. We can teach them or introduce them by verbally. Or by showing them in our presence. But just providing them any digital product and let them play with in our absence not teaching.
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I would even argue that’s it’s more harmful to keep kids off of social media
If they gain no experience whatsoever and dive in on their 18th birthday in the current state.. well
Instead of banning it, how about teaching about it
@stux yes, the whole discourse seems to be slipping into "verify and ban" as the excuse not to hold big tech accountable but also to allow lazy parents to feel good about their lazyness.
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Age restriction is not a solution for young kids addicted to social media
The solution is to put a wrecking ball to the exploiting algorithms that try to keep these kids on the platforms for as long as possible to show them as many ads as possible
Age verification is just another tool to keep taps on everyone
Start with the root of the problem and knock on doors from Meta to start with
I agree, all they do is tinker round the sides to try and make it look as if they are doing something meaningful. To anyone who fails to look deeper and disect what they do critically it looks as if they are doing something.
I think it is also time to stop being nice, how about you say to the UK execs,
1. Massive Fine
2. Block ( so people in the UK can't access)
3. Prosecution of execs, including arrest and prisonGovernment need to 'grow some' and start acting.
Once UK employees of Meta, TikTok start finding them selves facting prison, fines and even being made unemployable (due to criminal records) they will act.
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@stux tangentially related, even as a non drinker, I’ve often thought the US drinking age was too high. In Europe, it’s much lower (afaik) which means kids can get it out of their system while they’re at home with family, instead of doing more stupid things the first time they get freedom.
(Also agree the companies should be regulated to remove the manipulative behavior)@kfdm @stux As someone that was drinking at family gatherings regularly from like the age of 10 or earlier, and having even gotten ahold of the stuff as early as 2, I call bullshit on that idea.
You have problems with alcohol because you're running away from the shit you can't deal with. An early start to that doesn't do you ANY good.
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