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  • stux@mstdn.socialS stux@mstdn.social

    Age restriction is not a solution for young kids addicted to social media

    The solution is to put a wrecking ball to the exploiting algorithms that try to keep these kids on the platforms for as long as possible to show them as many ads as possible

    Age verification is just another tool to keep taps on everyone

    Start with the root of the problem and knock on doors from Meta to start with

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    Many adults are also addicted to social media, this would also help in solving that

    Just because you turn a certain age it’s suddenly okay to be glued to the screen all day and spoon fed content decided by the companies

    Lets be real, the problem is not age per se, its the social media companies these days

    stux@mstdn.socialS zombiecide@polyglot.cityZ grootinside@troet.cafeG naishtocoto@mastodon.socialN 4 Replies Last reply
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    • stux@mstdn.socialS stux@mstdn.social

      Age restriction is not a solution for young kids addicted to social media

      The solution is to put a wrecking ball to the exploiting algorithms that try to keep these kids on the platforms for as long as possible to show them as many ads as possible

      Age verification is just another tool to keep taps on everyone

      Start with the root of the problem and knock on doors from Meta to start with

      randamumaki@mstdn.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
      randamumaki@mstdn.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
      randamumaki@mstdn.social
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      #3

      @stux How about locking the doors to Meta's offices or razing them to the ground instead? Rotten company.

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      • stux@mstdn.socialS stux@mstdn.social

        Many adults are also addicted to social media, this would also help in solving that

        Just because you turn a certain age it’s suddenly okay to be glued to the screen all day and spoon fed content decided by the companies

        Lets be real, the problem is not age per se, its the social media companies these days

        stux@mstdn.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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        stux@mstdn.social
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        #4

        I would even argue that’s it’s more harmful to keep kids off of social media

        If they gain no experience whatsoever and dive in on their 18th birthday in the current state.. well

        Instead of banning it, how about teaching about it

        raffkarva@sunny.gardenR nf3xn@mastodon.socialN colmdonoghue@mastodon.ieC P stonebear2@hachyderm.ioS 9 Replies Last reply
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        • randamumaki@mstdn.socialR randamumaki@mstdn.social

          @stux How about locking the doors to Meta's offices or razing them to the ground instead? Rotten company.

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          @RandamuMaki Maybe we can launch Meta HQ back to its original planet 🚀

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          • stux@mstdn.socialS stux@mstdn.social

            @RandamuMaki Maybe we can launch Meta HQ back to its original planet 🚀

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            @stux I'm sure the Vogons will be happy to get it back.

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            • stux@mstdn.socialS stux@mstdn.social

              Many adults are also addicted to social media, this would also help in solving that

              Just because you turn a certain age it’s suddenly okay to be glued to the screen all day and spoon fed content decided by the companies

              Lets be real, the problem is not age per se, its the social media companies these days

              zombiecide@polyglot.cityZ This user is from outside of this forum
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              #7

              @stux for some reason I just imagined an algorithmic timeline that has to prominently explain why a certain post is shown

              'you see this ad for adult diapers because 234 days ago you used search engine xyz to seach for 'in continent ants joke' which was aggregated by companies yz and zx, we bought data from them on (day) and paid (money) for it, used model iaia to sort you into following ad categories: ...
              the display of this ad earns us (money)

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              • stux@mstdn.socialS stux@mstdn.social

                I would even argue that’s it’s more harmful to keep kids off of social media

                If they gain no experience whatsoever and dive in on their 18th birthday in the current state.. well

                Instead of banning it, how about teaching about it

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                @stux

                If it were about protecting children online, we'd be teaching them how to use VPNs and zero-knowledge DNS filtering.

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                • raffkarva@sunny.gardenR raffkarva@sunny.garden

                  @stux

                  If it were about protecting children online, we'd be teaching them how to use VPNs and zero-knowledge DNS filtering.

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                  wrote last edited by
                  #9

                  @RaffKarva Digital self-defense

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                  • stux@mstdn.socialS stux@mstdn.social

                    Many adults are also addicted to social media, this would also help in solving that

                    Just because you turn a certain age it’s suddenly okay to be glued to the screen all day and spoon fed content decided by the companies

                    Lets be real, the problem is not age per se, its the social media companies these days

                    grootinside@troet.cafeG This user is from outside of this forum
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                    @stux
                    Imho the problem is the everywhere online promoted mindset only attention counts and not facts or how you are or what you do irl.

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                    • stux@mstdn.socialS stux@mstdn.social

                      I would even argue that’s it’s more harmful to keep kids off of social media

                      If they gain no experience whatsoever and dive in on their 18th birthday in the current state.. well

                      Instead of banning it, how about teaching about it

                      nf3xn@mastodon.socialN This user is from outside of this forum
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                      @stux

                      The problem is that we have two fundamentally irreconcilable requirements.

                      1. Privacy
                      2. Security

                      Pick one.

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                      • stux@mstdn.socialS stux@mstdn.social

                        I would even argue that’s it’s more harmful to keep kids off of social media

                        If they gain no experience whatsoever and dive in on their 18th birthday in the current state.. well

                        Instead of banning it, how about teaching about it

                        colmdonoghue@mastodon.ieC This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #12

                        @stux the way I've seen this done now, is
                        If it's not safe for a 5 year old ban it until a person is 18+

                        Which seems a poor choice indeed

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                        • stux@mstdn.socialS stux@mstdn.social

                          I would even argue that’s it’s more harmful to keep kids off of social media

                          If they gain no experience whatsoever and dive in on their 18th birthday in the current state.. well

                          Instead of banning it, how about teaching about it

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                          patricus@gts.posix.live
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                          @stux age verification stuff is more dangerous than the addiction itself.

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                          • P patricus@gts.posix.live

                            @stux age verification stuff is more dangerous than the addiction itself.

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                            @stux why we're fighting fire with gasoline is beyond my understanding. but maybe I'm not stupid enough to understand this.

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                            • stux@mstdn.socialS stux@mstdn.social

                              I would even argue that’s it’s more harmful to keep kids off of social media

                              If they gain no experience whatsoever and dive in on their 18th birthday in the current state.. well

                              Instead of banning it, how about teaching about it

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                              #15

                              @stux I like the way you think, sir.

                              It's kinda like having a low drinking age. If the kids learn how not to go overboard BEFORE they learn to drive? they're so much more likely not to do it! (Crashing a bicycle usually hurts a lot less, for less long... )

                              Take away the taboo, teach responsible usage, there ya go...

                              (I remember in economics class in high school, back last century, we learned about types of ads, deceptive practices, etc.... I doubt they teach that in school anymore in America. Here? I seem to recall the Finns do, IDK if the Dutch do or not... )

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                              • nf3xn@mastodon.socialN nf3xn@mastodon.social

                                @stux

                                The problem is that we have two fundamentally irreconcilable requirements.

                                1. Privacy
                                2. Security

                                Pick one.

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                                @nf3xn We need to teach kids about those two

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                                • stux@mstdn.socialS stux@mstdn.social

                                  I would even argue that’s it’s more harmful to keep kids off of social media

                                  If they gain no experience whatsoever and dive in on their 18th birthday in the current state.. well

                                  Instead of banning it, how about teaching about it

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                                  #17

                                  @stux This is so close to being the war on drugs

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                                  • stux@mstdn.socialS stux@mstdn.social

                                    Many adults are also addicted to social media, this would also help in solving that

                                    Just because you turn a certain age it’s suddenly okay to be glued to the screen all day and spoon fed content decided by the companies

                                    Lets be real, the problem is not age per se, its the social media companies these days

                                    naishtocoto@mastodon.socialN This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    #18

                                    @stux Here in Brazil some people are trying to end the infinite scroll. Idk if it's going to be only to kids or anything like that, but at least it's a great first step.

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                                    • stux@mstdn.socialS stux@mstdn.social

                                      @nf3xn We need to teach kids about those two

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                                      @stux I think it high suspicious that all these countries suddenly show an interest in chat control and age verification everywhere and all at once when clearly different countries have entirely different tolerances. And I would have more grounds than most people to be. The "Lions, Tigers and Bears" has always been "Criminals, Terrorists and Pedos". Legitimate concerns wrapping something more sinister omitting an even worse threat: Fascists, who ironically are usually all of the above. /1

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                                      • stux@mstdn.socialS stux@mstdn.social

                                        I would even argue that’s it’s more harmful to keep kids off of social media

                                        If they gain no experience whatsoever and dive in on their 18th birthday in the current state.. well

                                        Instead of banning it, how about teaching about it

                                        tornuggla@masto.e-tuna.netT This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        #20

                                        @stux

                                        Second that. And since we are having a hard time to effectively fight the algorithm data mining companies, I'd like to see state and local authorities to set up their own masto/ppertube etc and also in the idea of public service make and fund content for the fediverse.

                                        I'd like to move my kids from YT to the fediverse, but there's almost nothing there that could remotely interest them. And me alone, I can't find or aggregate what little there is.

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                                        • stux@mstdn.socialS stux@mstdn.social

                                          Age restriction is not a solution for young kids addicted to social media

                                          The solution is to put a wrecking ball to the exploiting algorithms that try to keep these kids on the platforms for as long as possible to show them as many ads as possible

                                          Age verification is just another tool to keep taps on everyone

                                          Start with the root of the problem and knock on doors from Meta to start with

                                          dch@bsd.networkD This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          dch@bsd.network
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                                          #21

                                          @stux age 💯

                                          Verification is the same as tobacco, alcohol, dugs: it frames the actual problem as a "parenting" problem, instead of the issue of creating the harm in the first place.

                                          It's time to end the Algorithm at its source.

                                          No More Tracking.

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