Age restriction is not a solution for young kids addicted to social media
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@RandamuMaki Maybe we can launch Meta HQ back to its original planet
@stux I'm sure the Vogons will be happy to get it back.
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Many adults are also addicted to social media, this would also help in solving that
Just because you turn a certain age it’s suddenly okay to be glued to the screen all day and spoon fed content decided by the companies
Lets be real, the problem is not age per se, its the social media companies these days
@stux for some reason I just imagined an algorithmic timeline that has to prominently explain why a certain post is shown
'you see this ad for adult diapers because 234 days ago you used search engine xyz to seach for 'in continent ants joke' which was aggregated by companies yz and zx, we bought data from them on (day) and paid (money) for it, used model iaia to sort you into following ad categories: ...
the display of this ad earns us (money) -
I would even argue that’s it’s more harmful to keep kids off of social media
If they gain no experience whatsoever and dive in on their 18th birthday in the current state.. well
Instead of banning it, how about teaching about it
If it were about protecting children online, we'd be teaching them how to use VPNs and zero-knowledge DNS filtering.
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If it were about protecting children online, we'd be teaching them how to use VPNs and zero-knowledge DNS filtering.
@RaffKarva Digital self-defense
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Many adults are also addicted to social media, this would also help in solving that
Just because you turn a certain age it’s suddenly okay to be glued to the screen all day and spoon fed content decided by the companies
Lets be real, the problem is not age per se, its the social media companies these days
@stux
Imho the problem is the everywhere online promoted mindset only attention counts and not facts or how you are or what you do irl. -
I would even argue that’s it’s more harmful to keep kids off of social media
If they gain no experience whatsoever and dive in on their 18th birthday in the current state.. well
Instead of banning it, how about teaching about it
The problem is that we have two fundamentally irreconcilable requirements.
1. Privacy
2. SecurityPick one.
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I would even argue that’s it’s more harmful to keep kids off of social media
If they gain no experience whatsoever and dive in on their 18th birthday in the current state.. well
Instead of banning it, how about teaching about it
@stux the way I've seen this done now, is
If it's not safe for a 5 year old ban it until a person is 18+Which seems a poor choice indeed
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I would even argue that’s it’s more harmful to keep kids off of social media
If they gain no experience whatsoever and dive in on their 18th birthday in the current state.. well
Instead of banning it, how about teaching about it
@stux age verification stuff is more dangerous than the addiction itself.
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@stux age verification stuff is more dangerous than the addiction itself.
@stux why we're fighting fire with gasoline is beyond my understanding. but maybe I'm not stupid enough to understand this.
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I would even argue that’s it’s more harmful to keep kids off of social media
If they gain no experience whatsoever and dive in on their 18th birthday in the current state.. well
Instead of banning it, how about teaching about it
@stux I like the way you think, sir.
It's kinda like having a low drinking age. If the kids learn how not to go overboard BEFORE they learn to drive? they're so much more likely not to do it! (Crashing a bicycle usually hurts a lot less, for less long... )
Take away the taboo, teach responsible usage, there ya go...
(I remember in economics class in high school, back last century, we learned about types of ads, deceptive practices, etc.... I doubt they teach that in school anymore in America. Here? I seem to recall the Finns do, IDK if the Dutch do or not... )
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The problem is that we have two fundamentally irreconcilable requirements.
1. Privacy
2. SecurityPick one.
@nf3xn We need to teach kids about those two
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I would even argue that’s it’s more harmful to keep kids off of social media
If they gain no experience whatsoever and dive in on their 18th birthday in the current state.. well
Instead of banning it, how about teaching about it
@stux This is so close to being the war on drugs
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Many adults are also addicted to social media, this would also help in solving that
Just because you turn a certain age it’s suddenly okay to be glued to the screen all day and spoon fed content decided by the companies
Lets be real, the problem is not age per se, its the social media companies these days
@stux Here in Brazil some people are trying to end the infinite scroll. Idk if it's going to be only to kids or anything like that, but at least it's a great first step.
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@nf3xn We need to teach kids about those two
@stux I think it high suspicious that all these countries suddenly show an interest in chat control and age verification everywhere and all at once when clearly different countries have entirely different tolerances. And I would have more grounds than most people to be. The "Lions, Tigers and Bears" has always been "Criminals, Terrorists and Pedos". Legitimate concerns wrapping something more sinister omitting an even worse threat: Fascists, who ironically are usually all of the above. /1
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I would even argue that’s it’s more harmful to keep kids off of social media
If they gain no experience whatsoever and dive in on their 18th birthday in the current state.. well
Instead of banning it, how about teaching about it
Second that. And since we are having a hard time to effectively fight the algorithm data mining companies, I'd like to see state and local authorities to set up their own masto/ppertube etc and also in the idea of public service make and fund content for the fediverse.
I'd like to move my kids from YT to the fediverse, but there's almost nothing there that could remotely interest them. And me alone, I can't find or aggregate what little there is.
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Age restriction is not a solution for young kids addicted to social media
The solution is to put a wrecking ball to the exploiting algorithms that try to keep these kids on the platforms for as long as possible to show them as many ads as possible
Age verification is just another tool to keep taps on everyone
Start with the root of the problem and knock on doors from Meta to start with
@stux age
Verification is the same as tobacco, alcohol, dugs: it frames the actual problem as a "parenting" problem, instead of the issue of creating the harm in the first place.
It's time to end the Algorithm at its source.
No More Tracking.
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@stux I think it high suspicious that all these countries suddenly show an interest in chat control and age verification everywhere and all at once when clearly different countries have entirely different tolerances. And I would have more grounds than most people to be. The "Lions, Tigers and Bears" has always been "Criminals, Terrorists and Pedos". Legitimate concerns wrapping something more sinister omitting an even worse threat: Fascists, who ironically are usually all of the above. /1
@stux And it is not like these challenges have not already existed for pre-internet broadcasting. It's an attempt to abdicate parental responsibility. Maybe you should know what sites your children are accessing and restrict that on the device. Too hard? OK don't have kids then. Maybe we need a 'daytime internet'
I would be ok with just banning porn sites completely. Certainly if it is that or my privacy then sorry wankers time to resurrect your local DVD store. -
Second that. And since we are having a hard time to effectively fight the algorithm data mining companies, I'd like to see state and local authorities to set up their own masto/ppertube etc and also in the idea of public service make and fund content for the fediverse.
I'd like to move my kids from YT to the fediverse, but there's almost nothing there that could remotely interest them. And me alone, I can't find or aggregate what little there is.
The sketchy thing about the whole "restrict social media" thingy is: no one debates what should even count as "social media". This is set up for making a bunch of rules that over- and underrestrict in non-predictable but nevertheless well exploitable ways anyway.
Which means, obviously, like you are into, the thing to restrict are various aspects of algorithms, not "social media".
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Age restriction is not a solution for young kids addicted to social media
The solution is to put a wrecking ball to the exploiting algorithms that try to keep these kids on the platforms for as long as possible to show them as many ads as possible
Age verification is just another tool to keep taps on everyone
Start with the root of the problem and knock on doors from Meta to start with
@stux whatever anyone says I'll not let my kid to use phone untill he turn 18+. No matter if it's open source or other big tech companies. I know better than anyone for my kid. Everyone need some restrictions in their life to understand the difference between right and wrong.
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I would even argue that’s it’s more harmful to keep kids off of social media
If they gain no experience whatsoever and dive in on their 18th birthday in the current state.. well
Instead of banning it, how about teaching about it
@stux tangentially related, even as a non drinker, I’ve often thought the US drinking age was too high. In Europe, it’s much lower (afaik) which means kids can get it out of their system while they’re at home with family, instead of doing more stupid things the first time they get freedom.
(Also agree the companies should be regulated to remove the manipulative behavior)
