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  3. first impressions of the Lego smart brick, before I do any actual tearing down: wow, I forgot how good they are at working with plastic.

first impressions of the Lego smart brick, before I do any actual tearing down: wow, I forgot how good they are at working with plastic.

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  • pdo@infosec.exchangeP pdo@infosec.exchange

    @whitequark Saint Catherine of the Knife

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    @pdo have you ever heard the life story of the Saint Equal-to-the-Apostles Princess Olga of Kyiv? I'm similar.

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    • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

      okay I've decided on an idea: I will heat up the plastic to make it pliable and then cut it with a knife

      as a knfe girl, this is my professional obligation.

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      @whitequark you can also melt the ABS plastic used in LEGO bricks chemically by placing it in contact with certain other plastics, e.g. those used in fishing lures. presumably heat would accelerate the reaction, which takes weeks-months at room temp

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      • migratory@jorts.horseM migratory@jorts.horse

        @whitequark you can also melt the ABS plastic used in LEGO bricks chemically by placing it in contact with certain other plastics, e.g. those used in fishing lures. presumably heat would accelerate the reaction, which takes weeks-months at room temp

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        @migratory fascinating!

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        • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

          here's a video that shows in more detail the moldwork in the transparent plastic part

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          if you've never heard of anybody opening welded plastic this way, i can now tell you why: because it's a bad idea. until you heat ABS to the point where it flows (which you don't want here, as it'll make later teardown even worse), it acts rubbery. imagine cutting hot rubber. doesn't work

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          • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

            if you've never heard of anybody opening welded plastic this way, i can now tell you why: because it's a bad idea. until you heat ABS to the point where it flows (which you don't want here, as it'll make later teardown even worse), it acts rubbery. imagine cutting hot rubber. doesn't work

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            @whitequark do you have a hot wire?

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            • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

              @migratory fascinating!

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              @whitequark an anecdote from someone else here https://old.reddit.com/r/lego/comments/15wtg6n/melted_legos_what_happened_what_should_i_do/

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              • bob@feed.hella.cheapB bob@feed.hella.cheap

                @whitequark do you have a hot wire?

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                @bob i don't have any nichrome at hand and i'm pretty sure i'd give myself burns if i tried

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                • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                  if you've never heard of anybody opening welded plastic this way, i can now tell you why: because it's a bad idea. until you heat ABS to the point where it flows (which you don't want here, as it'll make later teardown even worse), it acts rubbery. imagine cutting hot rubber. doesn't work

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                  @whitequark somewhere I got a little saw blade for my rotary cutter. It isn't a Dremel brand blade, and I've never seen it again, but it is perfect for stuff like this.

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                  • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                    first impressions of the Lego smart brick, before I do any actual tearing down: wow, I forgot how good they are at working with plastic. the injecton molding remains impeccable, at least for this specific piece (I know about their recent QC issues elsewhere)

                    it's hard for me to look at the positively microscopic (I am literally using a microscope to look at it) "Li-Ion" lettering and think of anything but "showing off!"

                    (treehouse doesn't let me attach the full size images, you can grab them here: front, side)

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                    @whitequark Lego plastics are something else…

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                    • danlyke@researchbuzz.masto.hostD danlyke@researchbuzz.masto.host

                      @whitequark somewhere I got a little saw blade for my rotary cutter. It isn't a Dremel brand blade, and I've never seen it again, but it is perfect for stuff like this.

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                      @danlyke yep. but I don't have any rotary cutter atm, had to get rid of 90% of my tools when moving to the UK

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                      • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                        if you've never heard of anybody opening welded plastic this way, i can now tell you why: because it's a bad idea. until you heat ABS to the point where it flows (which you don't want here, as it'll make later teardown even worse), it acts rubbery. imagine cutting hot rubber. doesn't work

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                        @whitequark That certainly matches my experiences of working with ABS!

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                        • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                          if you've never heard of anybody opening welded plastic this way, i can now tell you why: because it's a bad idea. until you heat ABS to the point where it flows (which you don't want here, as it'll make later teardown even worse), it acts rubbery. imagine cutting hot rubber. doesn't work

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                          it did however let me lop off the top of it easily

                          this is I think a 2.4G antenna?

                          next step is sanding

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                          • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                            it did however let me lop off the top of it easily

                            this is I think a 2.4G antenna?

                            next step is sanding

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                            @whitequark thats supposed to be an antenna? I find fascinating how anyone engineered this into existence

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                            • analog_feelings@tech.lgbtA analog_feelings@tech.lgbt

                              @whitequark thats supposed to be an antenna? I find fascinating how anyone engineered this into existence

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                              @analog_feelings that is one of the more ordinary 2.4G antennas I've seen yeah

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                              • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                                @analog_feelings that is one of the more ordinary 2.4G antennas I've seen yeah

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                                @analog_feelings but to answer your question, a combination of instinct, experience, and simulation. a lot of simulation. (and prototyping too)

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                                • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                                  it did however let me lop off the top of it easily

                                  this is I think a 2.4G antenna?

                                  next step is sanding

                                  Link Preview Image
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                                  yep that did the thing. probably should've started with sanding at the beginning.

                                  it was somewhat more destructively than i wanted, but that's ok: i was trying to challenge my (incorrect) belief that sanding is always a tedious pan in the arse

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                                  • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                                    first impressions of the Lego smart brick, before I do any actual tearing down: wow, I forgot how good they are at working with plastic. the injecton molding remains impeccable, at least for this specific piece (I know about their recent QC issues elsewhere)

                                    it's hard for me to look at the positively microscopic (I am literally using a microscope to look at it) "Li-Ion" lettering and think of anything but "showing off!"

                                    (treehouse doesn't let me attach the full size images, you can grab them here: front, side)

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                                    @whitequark Copyright 2022 is also not what I would have expected.

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                                    • analog_feelings@tech.lgbtA analog_feelings@tech.lgbt

                                      @whitequark thats supposed to be an antenna? I find fascinating how anyone engineered this into existence

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                                      @analog_feelings @whitequark yep - that's a MIFA - meandered inverted F antenna. The F just represents the shape the feed point and grounding pin make.

                                      Really cool how they evolved to be like that:
                                      dipole
                                      monopole
                                      whip (inductively loaded)
                                      Inverted f (capacitively and inductively loaded)
                                      MIFA
                                      PIFA
                                      and eventually chip antennas (also dialectrically loaded)

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                                        @NULLderef it looks exactly like every smartphone driver ever

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                                        • claudius@darmstadt.socialC claudius@darmstadt.social

                                          @whitequark Copyright 2022 is also not what I would have expected.

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                                          @claudius the PCB has 2024 on it

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