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  3. first impressions of the Lego smart brick, before I do any actual tearing down: wow, I forgot how good they are at working with plastic.

first impressions of the Lego smart brick, before I do any actual tearing down: wow, I forgot how good they are at working with plastic.

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  • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

    if you've never heard of anybody opening welded plastic this way, i can now tell you why: because it's a bad idea. until you heat ABS to the point where it flows (which you don't want here, as it'll make later teardown even worse), it acts rubbery. imagine cutting hot rubber. doesn't work

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    @whitequark That certainly matches my experiences of working with ABS!

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    • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

      if you've never heard of anybody opening welded plastic this way, i can now tell you why: because it's a bad idea. until you heat ABS to the point where it flows (which you don't want here, as it'll make later teardown even worse), it acts rubbery. imagine cutting hot rubber. doesn't work

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      it did however let me lop off the top of it easily

      this is I think a 2.4G antenna?

      next step is sanding

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      • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

        it did however let me lop off the top of it easily

        this is I think a 2.4G antenna?

        next step is sanding

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        @whitequark thats supposed to be an antenna? I find fascinating how anyone engineered this into existence

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        • analog_feelings@tech.lgbtA analog_feelings@tech.lgbt

          @whitequark thats supposed to be an antenna? I find fascinating how anyone engineered this into existence

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          @analog_feelings that is one of the more ordinary 2.4G antennas I've seen yeah

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          • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

            @analog_feelings that is one of the more ordinary 2.4G antennas I've seen yeah

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            @analog_feelings but to answer your question, a combination of instinct, experience, and simulation. a lot of simulation. (and prototyping too)

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            • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

              it did however let me lop off the top of it easily

              this is I think a 2.4G antenna?

              next step is sanding

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              yep that did the thing. probably should've started with sanding at the beginning.

              it was somewhat more destructively than i wanted, but that's ok: i was trying to challenge my (incorrect) belief that sanding is always a tedious pan in the arse

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              • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                first impressions of the Lego smart brick, before I do any actual tearing down: wow, I forgot how good they are at working with plastic. the injecton molding remains impeccable, at least for this specific piece (I know about their recent QC issues elsewhere)

                it's hard for me to look at the positively microscopic (I am literally using a microscope to look at it) "Li-Ion" lettering and think of anything but "showing off!"

                (treehouse doesn't let me attach the full size images, you can grab them here: front, side)

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                @whitequark Copyright 2022 is also not what I would have expected.

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                • analog_feelings@tech.lgbtA analog_feelings@tech.lgbt

                  @whitequark thats supposed to be an antenna? I find fascinating how anyone engineered this into existence

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                  @analog_feelings @whitequark yep - that's a MIFA - meandered inverted F antenna. The F just represents the shape the feed point and grounding pin make.

                  Really cool how they evolved to be like that:
                  dipole
                  monopole
                  whip (inductively loaded)
                  Inverted f (capacitively and inductively loaded)
                  MIFA
                  PIFA
                  and eventually chip antennas (also dialectrically loaded)

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                    @NULLderef it looks exactly like every smartphone driver ever

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                    • claudius@darmstadt.socialC claudius@darmstadt.social

                      @whitequark Copyright 2022 is also not what I would have expected.

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                      @claudius the PCB has 2024 on it

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                      • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                        yep that did the thing. probably should've started with sanding at the beginning.

                        it was somewhat more destructively than i wanted, but that's ok: i was trying to challenge my (incorrect) belief that sanding is always a tedious pan in the arse

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                        took it apart. there's a sort of a plastic "carrier" that gets manufacured first, then inserted into the final package that's welded shut

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                        • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                          took it apart. there's a sort of a plastic "carrier" that gets manufacured first, then inserted into the final package that's welded shut

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                          @whitequark content of the data matrix code

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                            @Andres this is a tiny battery, i'd be fine

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                            • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                              @Andres this is a tiny battery, i'd be fine

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                              @whitequark
                              I know, I'd made worst, but still

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                              • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                                took it apart. there's a sort of a plastic "carrier" that gets manufacured first, then inserted into the final package that's welded shut

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                                okay, i've extracted the firmware-bearing parts. this is a tiny 45 mAh battery. (part of the lettering was torn off by the glue it was attached with)

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                                • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                                  first impressions of the Lego smart brick, before I do any actual tearing down: wow, I forgot how good they are at working with plastic. the injecton molding remains impeccable, at least for this specific piece (I know about their recent QC issues elsewhere)

                                  it's hard for me to look at the positively microscopic (I am literally using a microscope to look at it) "Li-Ion" lettering and think of anything but "showing off!"

                                  (treehouse doesn't let me attach the full size images, you can grab them here: front, side)

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                                  @whitequark I feel this way about Nerf guns. Every one I’ve ever taken apart I’ve come away with “they’re charging WHAT for this?”

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                                  • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                                    okay, i've extracted the firmware-bearing parts. this is a tiny 45 mAh battery. (part of the lettering was torn off by the glue it was attached with)

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                                    close-ups of the component side (well, the side with more components)

                                    originals: 1 2

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                                    • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                                      close-ups of the component side (well, the side with more components)

                                      originals: 1 2

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                                      EM9305 is an em|bleu microcontroller in QFN

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                                      • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                                        I'm not yet sure how I'll open it up. I don't have a hacksaw (somehow... I should fix that), so my options are somewhat limited: it's either cracking or melting plastic. from what others have done I know I there's plastic welding all around the joined region.

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                                        @whitequark ultrasonic knives got quite cheap and are excellent for very precise plastic cutting

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                                        • timonsku@mastodon.socialT timonsku@mastodon.social

                                          @whitequark ultrasonic knives got quite cheap and are excellent for very precise plastic cutting

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                                          @timonsku I should get one!

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