Most major #media and #socialMedia in the #USA is now right wing controlled
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@Sassinake @Eetschrijver @aadeacon
please edit your comment and add #vote
right? you feel where i'm coming from?
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@Sassinake @Eetschrijver @aadeacon
please edit your comment and add #vote
right? you feel where i'm coming from?
@benroyce @Eetschrijver @aadeacon
sure.
but didn't Marx say that Socialism could happen only after capitalism ran its course and people realized they either united, or died?
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"you can't #vote out #fascism"
they just did in #hungary you pathetic right wing lying troll cosplaying left and working a helplessness psyop... or, worse, you genuinely are exactly such a spineless mindlessly cynical loser and just an immature entitled whiny lump, not a real leftist
" #trump will cheat so what's the point of voting in the #midterms"
say that again, you lying piece of shit
@benroyce @Eetschrijver I’ve been saying ”you can’t vote out fascism” for quite some time, and I’m more than happy to have been proven wrong at least this one time.
(Disclaimer: I don’t live in either Hungary or the US)
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@adwright @mjc0961 @aadeacon @Eetschrijver
i can't argue with you. it's just that we're at cross purpose. you are talking forecasts and feasibility, i am trying to fire up the crowd
what i will do though is say that my purpose here is more constructive than yours at this particular moment. we're about to have primaries. we need to fire people up. you agree?
so please:
just try not to be such a debbie downer
please?
pretty pretty please with a cherry on top?
We can agree on the general point.
I think the point of disagreement is on foreknowledge.
One school of thought says it's best to know up front what you're up against. Good and bad.
Another says people can't handle that. Keep the message simple, details confuse.
Both may be right to different audiences under varying circumstance.
I prefer full message. Reason why is when folks deliver on simple thing but still in Shit Creek, not knowing details got em.
But your thread so *waves.
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We can agree on the general point.
I think the point of disagreement is on foreknowledge.
One school of thought says it's best to know up front what you're up against. Good and bad.
Another says people can't handle that. Keep the message simple, details confuse.
Both may be right to different audiences under varying circumstance.
I prefer full message. Reason why is when folks deliver on simple thing but still in Shit Creek, not knowing details got em.
But your thread so *waves.
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@benroyce @Eetschrijver I’ve been saying ”you can’t vote out fascism” for quite some time, and I’m more than happy to have been proven wrong at least this one time.
(Disclaimer: I don’t live in either Hungary or the US)
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as long as we sever these immature impotent losers: "but this one issue {x} i want it NOW or i don't vote"
you improve the world with sustained, iterative effort
anyone sitting there going "not perfect so no vote!" is a fuckwit or outright right wing troll cosplaying left to help MAGA
it's about *how* we improve our world, a plan, and work
not making idealistic demands as a lying excuse to do nothing but detach
such a person is not a leftist, just an entitled piece of shit
@benroyce @mistergibson I don't get why so many people wouldn't back down on genocide as their red line. I mean, the head count was nowhere near how many innocents died in the Holocaust, and that was small compared to the death toll in Congo. (I mean, the official Gaza death toll. Credible sources measure it at hundreds of thousands.) But is that even a genocide? I mean, yeah, it is, but it's okay if it's just a little genocide, isn't it?
I bet all the bleeding hearts were swayed by all the video coming out of Gaza. True, we didn't see inside the Nazi concentration camps until we broke them open, so it was probably unnerving seeing so many children dismembered and suffering in realtime in Gaza. And, well, all those bombs were blue, because Biden sent them. But still, if all it took was a candidate who committed to not funding a genocide, couldn't they have hopped down from their privileged ivory towers, held their noses, and voted for just a few little bombs? Plus, maybe Harris didn't really mean it when she said she supported Biden's policies with regard to Israel. Didn't they think of THAT?
I just don't get these people who went to the polling booths and voted for a third-party candidate who didn't have a repugnant platform. Didn't they realize they were throwing away their votes in a system where incremental change is best achieved by supporting corporatist candidates? No one ever became President without that sweet, sweet corporate money.
(Don't even mention AOC or Mamdani. Anyway, they have ranked choice voting down there. Hardly seems American.)
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Most major #media and #socialMedia in the #USA is now right wing controlled
The #techbro angle is well understood, but traditional media, that used to be more balanced, being capitalist entities that were dying, plutocrats merely purchased them and put their goons on the managing editor desks
Watch this video of #Magyar going on #Hungary's version of #FoxNews (their state media) and announcing he is shutting them down
Now dream of that in the #US
To get there, you fucking #vote, idiots
@benroyce after the election, i reached out to a Hungarian friend who I hadn’t talked with in a while. He said he just got back from Hungary (he flew in to cast his ballot). Said it was a hopeful feeling. The energy in the air “was like 1989”.
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@benroyce @Eetschrijver I’ve been saying ”you can’t vote out fascism” for quite some time, and I’m more than happy to have been proven wrong at least this one time.
(Disclaimer: I don’t live in either Hungary or the US)
to be a good person, you don't be right all the time
because nobody is
to be a good person, you admit when you're wrong, and adjust
a credit to your good character to admit you were wrong
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Hmm.
So I was just thinking maybe it's like paranoia - where, is it paranoia if they really are out to get you?
Is it pessimism if (a) negative outcomes predominate and/or (b) it is in the interests of bottomless-resourced entities for said negative outcomes to manifest?
So this one time I nearly died.
When I was a kid, I made a rule. I said, if I was ever up against oblivion, I would fight my last no matter what.
When you *are up against oblivion there is no you left. I fought.
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@benroyce after the election, i reached out to a Hungarian friend who I hadn’t talked with in a while. He said he just got back from Hungary (he flew in to cast his ballot). Said it was a hopeful feeling. The energy in the air “was like 1989”.
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@benroyce @Eetschrijver @aadeacon
sure.
but didn't Marx say that Socialism could happen only after capitalism ran its course and people realized they either united, or died?
@Sassinake @Eetschrijver @aadeacon
well if we're going to sit around and wait for pure suffering, i suppose we could find a way to improve at that point
i'd like to improve now, rather than wait for the terrordome
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Hmm.
So I was just thinking maybe it's like paranoia - where, is it paranoia if they really are out to get you?
Is it pessimism if (a) negative outcomes predominate and/or (b) it is in the interests of bottomless-resourced entities for said negative outcomes to manifest?
So this one time I nearly died.
When I was a kid, I made a rule. I said, if I was ever up against oblivion, I would fight my last no matter what.
When you *are up against oblivion there is no you left. I fought.
i would respond that negative outcomes predominate where negativism predominates
that it is a self-fulfilling prophecy
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@Sassinake @Eetschrijver @aadeacon
well if we're going to sit around and wait for pure suffering, i suppose we could find a way to improve at that point
i'd like to improve now, rather than wait for the terrordome
@benroyce @Eetschrijver @aadeacon
A #GeneralStrike is the last peaceful action before violent #Revolution becomes inevitable.
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Most major #media and #socialMedia in the #USA is now right wing controlled
The #techbro angle is well understood, but traditional media, that used to be more balanced, being capitalist entities that were dying, plutocrats merely purchased them and put their goons on the managing editor desks
Watch this video of #Magyar going on #Hungary's version of #FoxNews (their state media) and announcing he is shutting them down
Now dream of that in the #US
To get there, you fucking #vote, idiots
@benroyce
Would be great if after saying “and that's why we're doing this” he pointed at the camera, and the station just went to a test pattern immediately. -
@benroyce @mistergibson I don't get why so many people wouldn't back down on genocide as their red line. I mean, the head count was nowhere near how many innocents died in the Holocaust, and that was small compared to the death toll in Congo. (I mean, the official Gaza death toll. Credible sources measure it at hundreds of thousands.) But is that even a genocide? I mean, yeah, it is, but it's okay if it's just a little genocide, isn't it?
I bet all the bleeding hearts were swayed by all the video coming out of Gaza. True, we didn't see inside the Nazi concentration camps until we broke them open, so it was probably unnerving seeing so many children dismembered and suffering in realtime in Gaza. And, well, all those bombs were blue, because Biden sent them. But still, if all it took was a candidate who committed to not funding a genocide, couldn't they have hopped down from their privileged ivory towers, held their noses, and voted for just a few little bombs? Plus, maybe Harris didn't really mean it when she said she supported Biden's policies with regard to Israel. Didn't they think of THAT?
I just don't get these people who went to the polling booths and voted for a third-party candidate who didn't have a repugnant platform. Didn't they realize they were throwing away their votes in a system where incremental change is best achieved by supporting corporatist candidates? No one ever became President without that sweet, sweet corporate money.
(Don't even mention AOC or Mamdani. Anyway, they have ranked choice voting down there. Hardly seems American.)
i agree with your sentiment but please don't talk of genocide in terms of numbers killed. wrong is wrong. we win over those focused on the genocide in gaza with the harm reduction argument you make. we don't win anyone over with "yeah but it was just a small genocide." genocide is genocide
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@benroyce
We should note that Péter Magyar is far from a Mr. Perfect. For one, he's a staunch conservative who embraces several of Orbán's ideas and program points. However, he's not corrupt, he's not pro-Russian, he's not an autocrat. The Hungarian people know you don't get from hell to heaven in a day and that the first step in getting away from hell is to vote AGAINST hell and FOR whoever is NOT hell. That's precisely what they did, and what America DIDN'T do in November 2024.
@mistergibson@Eetschrijver @benroyce @mistergibson
if he set up a server here for his supporters, as soon as they started posting their conservative opinions, it would be labeled as full of bigots and widely fediblocked.
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i would respond that negative outcomes predominate where negativism predominates
that it is a self-fulfilling prophecy
Will can both effect and affect outcomes.
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@benroyce @Eetschrijver @aadeacon
A #GeneralStrike is the last peaceful action before violent #Revolution becomes inevitable.
@Sassinake @Eetschrijver @aadeacon
revolution happens when people are hungry (the american revolution wasn't a revolution, it was a war of independence)
people can have their rights destroyed and be brutalized and still be fed (fascists are careful to do that now)
even if there was a revolution, who wins? revolutions are not magical cleansings of the land, they can result in worse
finally even after a good revolution some losers will still go "but i want perfect"
so that is the real problem
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Will can both effect and affect outcomes.
so therefore it is must important in your messages to align with the good will
otherwise, what sentiment are your messages aligning with
no accusation here. just alluding to an important imperative
