Blind folks, what would make you want to use, or try out, Linux?

[modulux@node.isonomia.net]

@xogium @quetzatl @pixelate What in particular, and what's your preferred option then?

[kaveinthran@mastodon.stickbear.me]

@pixelate Audio demos of some cool applications

[xogium@tech.lgbt]

@modulux @quetzatl @pixelate The removal of the vt subsystem was what I was refering to.

Not coming from the kernel folks, but rather the distro folks like fedora, which heavily drives the development of systemd and other distros. Can you imagine that? Having to get a full wayland stack with at-spi and orca just to get a terminal? I cannot. And the extremely ableist comments from the kernel mailing list drove it home for me. Nicolas Pitre himself is pissed off about this change. And noone listens to him in all of this. What chance do the rest of us have?

[xogium@tech.lgbt]

@modulux @quetzatl @pixelate And, as windows is as bad but for various other reasons, I am going away to mac. I have never tried it yet, after all. It was a combo of several things happening that caused me to decide this extreme:
https://xogium.me/173-times-why-a-simple-arch-linux-reinstall-pushed-me-to-look-at-macos
https://xogium.me/the-next-best-decision-stepping-away-from-the-linux-desktop

[menelion@dragonscave.space]

@bscross32 @pixelate Hot take: Linux Desktop is like Windows Server. A misused operating system, I mean. I've never said a bad word about Linux on servers: the only solution I use and recommend, the best system for that. But on desktop…

[pesh@mastodon.social]

@pixelate Not having to do hours and hours of research into distros and packages and shell commands to get things minimally working. Like, someone just tell me what to install and have it not involve 50 steps. Also a comprehensive guide/tutorials about how to do basic stuff with keyboard navigation and Orca, like navigating around parts of the OS and common GUI programs.

[bri@fwoof.space]

@pixelate An actual DAW. Access to remote incident manager or jump desktop.

[bscross32@tweesecake.social]

@menelion @pixelate Yeah, nothing will change until the prevailing attitude shifts in open source. That is, stop treating disabled individuals like 2nd class citizens.

[skua@mastodon.social]

@pixelate
Not blind.
Reading this thread has me wondering if a body like the EU Commission could step up with money for targetted development of Linux to work towards inclusivity goals.

(And digital security goals, military security goals, & digital sovereignty goals. )

[kirmesboxer@mastodon.pub.solar]

@pixelate Not a blind person here, hope that’s OK. I found it remarkable that the screen reader was enabled by default after installing Pop OS.

[felixule@techtett.de]

@pixelate I'm currently trying it out, I've set up an Ubuntu system and so far I'm really liking it. I just want to get away from this incomprehensible, slow to respond, constantly hanging Windows. I'm just not satisfied with the selection of tools that have to replace the ones I already have under Windows. And of course I really miss Eloquence as my primary voice on every device.
#Windows #Linux #accessibility

[menelion@dragonscave.space]

@felixule @pixelate Sorry, but I didn't understand how you can like it if everything is hanging, choice of tools is poor and your synth is not there? What to like then?

[felixule@techtett.de]

@menelion @pixelate That was a bit misleadingly worded. The lagging referred specifically to Windows; it's simply no fun working with a system that has delays of several seconds when opening apps, menus, and the like. Most of the tools I need are available for Linux anyway; I only need to find alternatives for two or three. And until recently, Eloquence was also available from Voxin; I'm currently trying to find out if it's still available to install anywhere.

[menelion@dragonscave.space]

@felixule @pixelate I mean… Windows and menus are the heart of a GUI-driven operating system. If they lag, how to use anything?

[felixule@techtett.de]

@menelion @pixelate That's exactly my point. Microsoft manages to make this operating system a little worse with every update. I love NVDA with all its extensions, but if the system itself feels so unsatisfying, I simply want to try something else. And that's why I'm just fed up!

[pixelate@tweesecake.social]

@Kirmesboxer It was enabled automatically?

[pixelate@tweesecake.social]

@skua They could if they felt like it.

[kirmesboxer@mastodon.pub.solar]

@pixelate Yes, after installation, a screen with basic configurations, some of them accessibility features, pops up. Screen reader was one of the options and enabled by default.

[pixelate@tweesecake.social]

@Kirmesboxer So after install, it started speaking without your input?

[kirmesboxer@mastodon.pub.solar]

@pixelate That’s what I am saying.

To be precise: It did on a former Windows machine, on the old Macbook, the sound card drivers were screwed.