Blind folks, what would make you want to use, or try out, Linux?
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@modulux @quetzatl @pixelate The removal of the vt subsystem was what I was refering to.
Not coming from the kernel folks, but rather the distro folks like fedora, which heavily drives the development of systemd and other distros. Can you imagine that? Having to get a full wayland stack with at-spi and orca just to get a terminal? I cannot. And the extremely ableist comments from the kernel mailing list drove it home for me. Nicolas Pitre himself is pissed off about this change. And noone listens to him in all of this. What chance do the rest of us have?
@modulux @quetzatl @pixelate And, as windows is as bad but for various other reasons, I am going away to mac. I have never tried it yet, after all. It was a combo of several things happening that caused me to decide this extreme:
https://xogium.me/173-times-why-a-simple-arch-linux-reinstall-pushed-me-to-look-at-macos
https://xogium.me/the-next-best-decision-stepping-away-from-the-linux-desktop -
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@pixelate Desktop Linux is a no go for me. The level of accessibility is far below acceptable. I have used headless servers though, and have a Pi 4B which I've set up to be headless. I'm fine with setups like that.
@bscross32 @pixelate Hot take: Linux Desktop is like Windows Server. A misused operating system, I mean. I've never said a bad word about Linux on servers: the only solution I use and recommend, the best system for that. But on desktop…
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Blind folks, what would make you want to use, or try out, Linux?
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@pixelate Not having to do hours and hours of research into distros and packages and shell commands to get things minimally working. Like, someone just tell me what to install and have it not involve 50 steps. Also a comprehensive guide/tutorials about how to do basic stuff with keyboard navigation and Orca, like navigating around parts of the OS and common GUI programs.
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@pixelate An actual DAW. Access to remote incident manager or jump desktop.
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@bscross32 @pixelate Hot take: Linux Desktop is like Windows Server. A misused operating system, I mean. I've never said a bad word about Linux on servers: the only solution I use and recommend, the best system for that. But on desktop…
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@pixelate
Not blind.
Reading this thread has me wondering if a body like the EU Commission could step up with money for targetted development of Linux to work towards inclusivity goals.(And digital security goals, military security goals, & digital sovereignty goals. )
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Blind folks, what would make you want to use, or try out, Linux?
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@pixelate Not a blind person here, hope that’s OK. I found it remarkable that the screen reader was enabled by default after installing Pop OS.
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@pixelate I'm currently trying it out, I've set up an Ubuntu system and so far I'm really liking it. I just want to get away from this incomprehensible, slow to respond, constantly hanging Windows. I'm just not satisfied with the selection of tools that have to replace the ones I already have under Windows. And of course I really miss Eloquence as my primary voice on every device.
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@pixelate I'm currently trying it out, I've set up an Ubuntu system and so far I'm really liking it. I just want to get away from this incomprehensible, slow to respond, constantly hanging Windows. I'm just not satisfied with the selection of tools that have to replace the ones I already have under Windows. And of course I really miss Eloquence as my primary voice on every device.
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@menelion @pixelate That was a bit misleadingly worded. The lagging referred specifically to Windows; it's simply no fun working with a system that has delays of several seconds when opening apps, menus, and the like. Most of the tools I need are available for Linux anyway; I only need to find alternatives for two or three. And until recently, Eloquence was also available from Voxin; I'm currently trying to find out if it's still available to install anywhere.
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@menelion @pixelate That was a bit misleadingly worded. The lagging referred specifically to Windows; it's simply no fun working with a system that has delays of several seconds when opening apps, menus, and the like. Most of the tools I need are available for Linux anyway; I only need to find alternatives for two or three. And until recently, Eloquence was also available from Voxin; I'm currently trying to find out if it's still available to install anywhere.
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@pixelate Not a blind person here, hope that’s OK. I found it remarkable that the screen reader was enabled by default after installing Pop OS.
@Kirmesboxer It was enabled automatically?
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@pixelate
Not blind.
Reading this thread has me wondering if a body like the EU Commission could step up with money for targetted development of Linux to work towards inclusivity goals.(And digital security goals, military security goals, & digital sovereignty goals. )
@skua They could if they felt like it.
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@Kirmesboxer It was enabled automatically?
@pixelate Yes, after installation, a screen with basic configurations, some of them accessibility features, pops up. Screen reader was one of the options and enabled by default.
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@pixelate Yes, after installation, a screen with basic configurations, some of them accessibility features, pops up. Screen reader was one of the options and enabled by default.
@Kirmesboxer So after install, it started speaking without your input?
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@Kirmesboxer So after install, it started speaking without your input?
@pixelate That’s what I am saying.
To be precise: It did on a former Windows machine, on the old Macbook, the sound card drivers were screwed.
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Blind folks, what would make you want to use, or try out, Linux?
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@pixelate Accessible and credible DAW/audio editing software. Given what I do, that is a must.
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@pixelate That’s what I am saying.
To be precise: It did on a former Windows machine, on the old Macbook, the sound card drivers were screwed.
@Kirmesboxer Wow, that's pretty amazing!
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@pixelate Usage of Linux by blind users has been deprecated with the move to Wayland. Yes, solutions are WIP. No, they are not functional today. And the distros have made it clear that they have no qualms about leaving blind users in the gutter.
Appalling, disgusting, and incredibly disenfranchising. Why would blind users ever return after being forced out?
