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  3. ahh, the HP 9133A - the largest and heaviest external 3 1/2" floppy drive ever built.

ahh, the HP 9133A - the largest and heaviest external 3 1/2" floppy drive ever built.

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  • tubetime@mastodon.socialT tubetime@mastodon.social

    and it tests good! the weird 26-pin HP interface is natively supported by my Floppy Exerciser board (https://github.com/schlae/FloppyExerciser)

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    on to the surprise hard drive. but, no surprise, it won't spin up and pulls a bunch of current on 12v. hmmm.

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    • tubetime@mastodon.socialT tubetime@mastodon.social

      on to the surprise hard drive. but, no surprise, it won't spin up and pulls a bunch of current on 12v. hmmm.

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      the motor won't move. I think it is stiction. ugh.

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      • tubetime@mastodon.socialT tubetime@mastodon.social

        whoops, surprise hard drive inside!

        this one is a Seagate ST-506, a MFM drive with a whopping 5MB capacity!

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        @tubetime Dude, that is the OG Hard Drive there, ya gotta respect what it heralded in the years to come. I mean sure, you can get a short M.2 drive today that holds as much as a million of those drives could but hey, on a minicomputer or a CP/M system, it was So Much Space!

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        • tubetime@mastodon.socialT tubetime@mastodon.social

          the floppy drive is the extremely ancient Sony OA-D31V-1. it's not the first one to come out. more like the second one.

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          @tubetime are these from the time that 3.5" disks had shutters with rounded apertures, and the shutters latched open? I remember some of my Dad's HP kit was like that

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          • tubetime@mastodon.socialT tubetime@mastodon.social

            the motor won't move. I think it is stiction. ugh.

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            yeah all the heads are stuck. trying a heat gun now...

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            • tubetime@mastodon.socialT tubetime@mastodon.social

              ahh, the HP 9133A - the largest and heaviest external 3 1/2" floppy drive ever built. let's get it working! 🧵

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              @tubetime

              Hola AMIGO.

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              • tubetime@mastodon.socialT tubetime@mastodon.social

                yeah all the heads are stuck. trying a heat gun now...

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                @tubetime Tap on the side with a hammer often sorted that. 😅

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                • tubetime@mastodon.socialT tubetime@mastodon.social

                  yeah all the heads are stuck. trying a heat gun now...

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                  it spins, but it sounds bad. not much hope for this drive, unfortunately.

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                  • tubetime@mastodon.socialT tubetime@mastodon.social

                    it spins, but it sounds bad. not much hope for this drive, unfortunately.

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                    the Gesswein MFM emulator was able to capture a flux transition dump! i used their mfm_util to analyze it, and it is a very odd format: check out the command line:

                    --format EC1841 --sectors 32,0 --heads 4 --cylinders 153 --header_crc 0x0,0xa00805,32,4 --data_crc 0x0,0xa00805,32,4 --sector_length 256

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                    • tubetime@mastodon.socialT tubetime@mastodon.social

                      the Gesswein MFM emulator was able to capture a flux transition dump! i used their mfm_util to analyze it, and it is a very odd format: check out the command line:

                      --format EC1841 --sectors 32,0 --heads 4 --cylinders 153 --header_crc 0x0,0xa00805,32,4 --data_crc 0x0,0xa00805,32,4 --sector_length 256

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                      example output of the analyze command... some bad sectors, but a lot of good ones!

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                      • tubetime@mastodon.socialT tubetime@mastodon.social

                        example output of the analyze command... some bad sectors, but a lot of good ones!

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                        output of 'strings' shows some cool stuff!

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                        • tubetime@mastodon.socialT tubetime@mastodon.social

                          output of 'strings' shows some cool stuff!

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                          the HPIB verification program for the HP5005B signature analyzer. wild

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                          • tubetime@mastodon.socialT tubetime@mastodon.social

                            the motor won't move. I think it is stiction. ugh.

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                            @tubetime I feel like knowing what stiction is, without looking it up, dates us. 🤔

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                            • tubetime@mastodon.socialT tubetime@mastodon.social

                              yeah all the heads are stuck. trying a heat gun now...

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                              @tubetime
                              Maybe it just needs some Head and Shoulders (TM).

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                              • tubetime@mastodon.socialT tubetime@mastodon.social

                                a single-sided 3.5" drive head is something you don't see every day. they were never that common.

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                                @tubetime
                                Apple sold tons of 3.5" single-sided drives (Sony mechanism, but special for Apple, because... Apple.)
                                They were uncommon in PCs.

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                                • tubetime@mastodon.socialT tubetime@mastodon.social

                                  example output of the analyze command... some bad sectors, but a lot of good ones!

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                                  @tubetime

                                  My AutoArchaeologist toolkit can turn the LIF filesystems into static HTML files so you can spelunk the contents.

                                  Example:

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                                  ⟦056ab17c6⟧

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                                  (phk.freebsd.dk)

                                  Software:

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                                  AutoArchaeologist

                                  AutoArchaeologist - Python tool-chest for presenting contents of old data-media as static HTML files.

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                                  Codeberg.org (codeberg.org)

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                                  • bsdphk@fosstodon.orgB bsdphk@fosstodon.org

                                    @tubetime

                                    My AutoArchaeologist toolkit can turn the LIF filesystems into static HTML files so you can spelunk the contents.

                                    Example:

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                                    ⟦056ab17c6⟧

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                                    (phk.freebsd.dk)

                                    Software:

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                                    AutoArchaeologist

                                    AutoArchaeologist - Python tool-chest for presenting contents of old data-media as static HTML files.

                                    favicon

                                    Codeberg.org (codeberg.org)

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                                    @bsdphk useful, can it handle partially corrupted images?

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                                    • tubetime@mastodon.socialT tubetime@mastodon.social

                                      @bsdphk useful, can it handle partially corrupted images?

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                                      @tubetime

                                      I dont know how robust the LIF excavator is, I have only written/tried it on good images, but the general idea of AA is to handle whatever you throw at it, as well as possibe.

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                                      • bsdphk@fosstodon.orgB bsdphk@fosstodon.org

                                        @tubetime

                                        I dont know how robust the LIF excavator is, I have only written/tried it on good images, but the general idea of AA is to handle whatever you throw at it, as well as possibe.

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                                        @tubetime

                                        The fastest way to find out, is probably if you send me the image, but I can also walk you through the setup so you can run AA yourself.

                                        (I've never finished the proper python packaging so it's a bit manual)

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                                          example output of the analyze command... some bad sectors, but a lot of good ones!

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                                          @tubetime

                                          With some effort it may be possible to recover more if its just heads were pulled out of alignment when they were stuck.

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                                          Data recovery using microstepper

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                                          If you want me to take a look at your transitions file to see if I think that method may work send me a private message.

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