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I just consulted 54 trillion "people" who agree that this is idiotic.

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  • natasha_jay@tech.lgbtN natasha_jay@tech.lgbt

    I just consulted 54 trillion "people" who agree that this is idiotic.

    #AI #LLM #SiliconSampling

    toddheberlein@mastodon.socialT This user is from outside of this forum
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    toddheberlein@mastodon.social
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    #63

    @Natasha_Jay This is a key plot point for the 1964 novel Simulacron-3 - using simulated populations for public opinion polling instead of needing to poll real people (which was done constantly in the novel).

    It turns out the protagonist's society was actually a simulator for higher-level entities.

    It was adapted into the 1999 movie The Thirteenth Floor.

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    • natasha_jay@tech.lgbtN natasha_jay@tech.lgbt

      I just consulted 54 trillion "people" who agree that this is idiotic.

      #AI #LLM #SiliconSampling

      rivermel@tech.lgbtR This user is from outside of this forum
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      rivermel@tech.lgbt
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      #64

      @Natasha_Jay I really hope these AI agents ingest all of the silly mastodon polls.

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      • ohir@social.vivaldi.netO ohir@social.vivaldi.net

        @jawarajabbi @Natasha_Jay
        > I can make shit up too and I'll do it cheaper than an AI

        No and no. Was falsifying the raw material so easy no single person could catch it and get dissertations retracted.

        And if you want to fill out 1,008 questionnaires for $100 I think I might have a gig for ya 😉

        benny@kirche.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
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        #65

        @ohir @jawarajabbi @Natasha_Jay 1008? Should not be too tough with a little python script, if the results can be made up anyway...

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        • benny@kirche.socialB benny@kirche.social

          @ohir @jawarajabbi @Natasha_Jay 1008? Should not be too tough with a little python script, if the results can be made up anyway...

          ohir@social.vivaldi.netO This user is from outside of this forum
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          #66

          @benny
          > with a little python script
          Nope. Video proof of protein filling it with their hand and pen, on paper 😉

          @jawarajabbi @Natasha_Jay

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          • natasha_jay@tech.lgbtN natasha_jay@tech.lgbt

            I just consulted 54 trillion "people" who agree that this is idiotic.

            #AI #LLM #SiliconSampling

            tsutrav@indieweb.socialT This user is from outside of this forum
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            wrote last edited by
            #67

            @Natasha_Jay “Idiotic” is being polite! Modeling is already a thing. These kinds of “findings" should always be framed as such and not actual samplings. Hopefully everyone learned something here.

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            • ohir@social.vivaldi.netO ohir@social.vivaldi.net

              @benny
              > with a little python script
              Nope. Video proof of protein filling it with their hand and pen, on paper 😉

              @jawarajabbi @Natasha_Jay

              benny@kirche.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
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              #68

              @ohir @jawarajabbi @Natasha_Jay and thid silicon sampling would pass that? Where would it get the protein from?

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              • benny@kirche.socialB benny@kirche.social

                @ohir @jawarajabbi @Natasha_Jay and thid silicon sampling would pass that? Where would it get the protein from?

                ohir@social.vivaldi.netO This user is from outside of this forum
                ohir@social.vivaldi.netO This user is from outside of this forum
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                wrote last edited by
                #69

                @benny
                > Where would it get the protein from?
                Thats why I said about a gig for the protein who stated that it would be fast and cheap.

                Problem is real.

                We need to find a way to detect the falsification of survey questionnaires. We can statistically identify the work of a dishonest surveyor, but if that person uses a "silicon sampling" bot, statistical methods will fail. That is why we are starting to record the human hand filling out the paper form, as proof that the pollster actually interviewed various people and did not just made the survey on their sofa casually talking with a bot.

                @jawarajabbi @Natasha_Jay

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                • natasha_jay@tech.lgbtN natasha_jay@tech.lgbt

                  I just consulted 54 trillion "people" who agree that this is idiotic.

                  #AI #LLM #SiliconSampling

                  ghostonthehalfshell@masto.aiG This user is from outside of this forum
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                  ghostonthehalfshell@masto.ai
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                  #70

                  @Natasha_Jay

                  You get the idea they really are trying to completely replace people

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                  • ohir@social.vivaldi.netO ohir@social.vivaldi.net

                    @benny
                    > Where would it get the protein from?
                    Thats why I said about a gig for the protein who stated that it would be fast and cheap.

                    Problem is real.

                    We need to find a way to detect the falsification of survey questionnaires. We can statistically identify the work of a dishonest surveyor, but if that person uses a "silicon sampling" bot, statistical methods will fail. That is why we are starting to record the human hand filling out the paper form, as proof that the pollster actually interviewed various people and did not just made the survey on their sofa casually talking with a bot.

                    @jawarajabbi @Natasha_Jay

                    benny@kirche.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #71

                    @ohir @jawarajabbi @Natasha_Jay now I get your point. Thank you.
                    Maybe we should stop doing surveys...

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                    • natasha_jay@tech.lgbtN natasha_jay@tech.lgbt

                      I just consulted 54 trillion "people" who agree that this is idiotic.

                      #AI #LLM #SiliconSampling

                      scaletheory@mastodon.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #72

                      @Natasha_Jay

                      Silicon sampling,
                      engagement farming,
                      What's next, silicon disenfranchisement... extrapolation farming?

                      Why the discombobulation of terms? Make them seems smart or deceptive?

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                      • natasha_jay@tech.lgbtN natasha_jay@tech.lgbt

                        I just consulted 54 trillion "people" who agree that this is idiotic.

                        #AI #LLM #SiliconSampling

                        nazokiyoubinbou@urusai.socialN This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #73

                        @Natasha_Jay This... is actually deathly dangerous... Literally...

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                        • natasha_jay@tech.lgbtN natasha_jay@tech.lgbt

                          I just consulted 54 trillion "people" who agree that this is idiotic.

                          #AI #LLM #SiliconSampling

                          tanyatussing@mastodon.socialT This user is from outside of this forum
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                          tanyatussing@mastodon.social
                          wrote last edited by
                          #74

                          @Natasha_Jay 😳

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                          • ohir@social.vivaldi.netO ohir@social.vivaldi.net

                            @benny
                            > with a little python script
                            Nope. Video proof of protein filling it with their hand and pen, on paper 😉

                            @jawarajabbi @Natasha_Jay

                            jawarajabbi@mastodon.onlineJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                            wrote last edited by
                            #75

                            @ohir @benny @Natasha_Jay

                            I mean... is this expression for people as "protein" common in tech or did you just make it up? Because as a person I find the expression a little... surprising?

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                            • natasha_jay@tech.lgbtN natasha_jay@tech.lgbt

                              I just consulted 54 trillion "people" who agree that this is idiotic.

                              #AI #LLM #SiliconSampling

                              chuckmcmanis@chaos.socialC This user is from outside of this forum
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                              wrote last edited by
                              #76

                              @Natasha_Jay Wow, really?!? This is the stupidest idea since drinking bleach to cure COVID[1]

                              [1] Editors note: Science says if you drink enough bleach you will no longer suffer from COVID, or a need for oxygen or food.

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                              • natasha_jay@tech.lgbtN natasha_jay@tech.lgbt

                                I just consulted 54 trillion "people" who agree that this is idiotic.

                                #AI #LLM #SiliconSampling

                                rjblaskiewicz@mstdn.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
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                                #77

                                @Natasha_Jay I read that and got dumber.

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                                • natasha_jay@tech.lgbtN natasha_jay@tech.lgbt

                                  I just consulted 54 trillion "people" who agree that this is idiotic.

                                  #AI #LLM #SiliconSampling

                                  okerampa@shelter.moeO This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  #78

                                  @Natasha_Jay Reminds me of this Star Trek TOS episode where a war is done using computer simulation (but they however kill number of people killed in the simulation).

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                                  • natasha_jay@tech.lgbtN natasha_jay@tech.lgbt

                                    I just consulted 54 trillion "people" who agree that this is idiotic.

                                    #AI #LLM #SiliconSampling

                                    dvshkn@social.treehouse.systemsD This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    #79

                                    @Natasha_Jay There are many things in the running, but this may be the most abhorrent use of LLMs I've seen so far

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                                    • toddheberlein@mastodon.socialT toddheberlein@mastodon.social

                                      @Natasha_Jay This is a key plot point for the 1964 novel Simulacron-3 - using simulated populations for public opinion polling instead of needing to poll real people (which was done constantly in the novel).

                                      It turns out the protagonist's society was actually a simulator for higher-level entities.

                                      It was adapted into the 1999 movie The Thirteenth Floor.

                                      datenwolf@chaos.socialD This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      wrote last edited by
                                      #80

                                      @toddheberlein @Natasha_Jay

                                      There's also 1973 movie adaption directed by Fassbinder "Welt am Draht" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_on_a_Wire

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