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  3. to be absolutely clear: alpine is *not* switching to systemd or implementing a 'systemd compatibility layer'.

to be absolutely clear: alpine is *not* switching to systemd or implementing a 'systemd compatibility layer'.

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  • ariadne@social.treehouse.systemsA ariadne@social.treehouse.systems

    what alpine *has* done is ship the systemd unit files included with upstream packages in aports. and this is not new, we have been doing this for a while now.

    alpine *also* ships some systemd components as isolated components, such as systemd-boot. we may also use systemd's udev in the future as well.

    but these are, and in the case of udev, would be properly integrated into alpine, not the other way around.

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    @ariadne you can use systemd-udevd separately?

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    • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

      @ariadne you can use systemd-udevd separately?

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      @whitequark yes

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      • ariadne@social.treehouse.systemsA ariadne@social.treehouse.systems

        to be absolutely clear: alpine is *not* switching to systemd or implementing a 'systemd compatibility layer'.

        https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/alpine-linux-experiments-systemd-compatibility-while-keeping-its-lightweight-identity is literally AI slop

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        @ariadne it's annoying to see stuff like this which suggests you can't use alpine on a desktop system
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        • neal@social.gompa.meN neal@social.gompa.me

          @ariadne Why are people freaking out about this? It doesn't matter. The sloppy article aside, nothing about this is new as far as I knew...

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          @neal because the article is disinformation

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          • bremner@mathstodon.xyzB bremner@mathstodon.xyz

            @ariadne I guess linuxjournal.com is all slop all the time now. A few days ago there was a similar [1] sloppy clickbait article about Debian.

            Dunno who "George Whittaker" is, but if they are real person they should be ashamed of impersonating a journalist.

            [1]: https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/debian-experiments-ai-assisted-bug-triage-open-source-projects-face-growing-report-overload

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            @bremner debian is using AI huh? yeah, i'm sure debbugs is really super friendly to AI tooling, right?

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            • bremner@mathstodon.xyzB bremner@mathstodon.xyz

              @ariadne I guess linuxjournal.com is all slop all the time now. A few days ago there was a similar [1] sloppy clickbait article about Debian.

              Dunno who "George Whittaker" is, but if they are real person they should be ashamed of impersonating a journalist.

              [1]: https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/debian-experiments-ai-assisted-bug-triage-open-source-projects-face-growing-report-overload

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              @bremner @ariadne it's so sad... the Linux Journal used to be an institution and now it's devolved into this

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              • ariadne@social.treehouse.systemsA ariadne@social.treehouse.systems

                @neal because the article is disinformation

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                @ariadne Sigh...

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                • neal@social.gompa.meN neal@social.gompa.me

                  @ariadne Sigh...

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                  @neal like linuxjournal.com right now, last two articles are totally AI slop disinformation

                  one about alpine and one about debian

                  i'm sure "george" will do fedora in time

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                  • ariadne@social.treehouse.systemsA ariadne@social.treehouse.systems

                    @neal like linuxjournal.com right now, last two articles are totally AI slop disinformation

                    one about alpine and one about debian

                    i'm sure "george" will do fedora in time

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                    @ariadne Yeah, it's probably going to happen with something particularly dumb too. I can already see it coming...

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                    • ariadne@social.treehouse.systemsA ariadne@social.treehouse.systems

                      @bremner debian is using AI huh? yeah, i'm sure debbugs is really super friendly to AI tooling, right?

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                      @ariadne I dunno, all I get out of our admin team is anatomically unlikely suggestions for scraper operators.

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                      • sakurina@icosahedron.websiteS sakurina@icosahedron.website

                        @bremner @ariadne it's so sad... the Linux Journal used to be an institution and now it's devolved into this

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                        @sakurina @bremner honestly i wonder if the site has been compromised because it is pretty wild to publish that Debian is using AI to filter bugs and Alpine is adopting a 'systemd compatibility layer'

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                        • ariadne@social.treehouse.systemsA ariadne@social.treehouse.systems

                          to be absolutely clear: alpine is *not* switching to systemd or implementing a 'systemd compatibility layer'.

                          https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/alpine-linux-experiments-systemd-compatibility-while-keeping-its-lightweight-identity is literally AI slop

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                          @ariadne Is it safe to assume that shims for systemd APIs needed by things like GNOME aren’t a “systemd compatibility layer” for this purpose?

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                            @ariadne Is it safe to assume that shims for systemd APIs needed by things like GNOME aren’t a “systemd compatibility layer” for this purpose?

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                            @alwayscurious i do not know *what* the article means by 'systemd compatibility layer', but it describes libsystemd coming to alpine which has not happened

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                            • ariadne@social.treehouse.systemsA ariadne@social.treehouse.systems

                              why does alpine ship the systemd unit files? so that downstream derivatives using systemd can use them.

                              simple as that.

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                              also, it is funny that the article talks about proprietary software not working on alpine

                              in general, this is not a concern in the alpine community, and we do support flatpak

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                              • weirdtreething@donotsta.reW weirdtreething@donotsta.re
                                @ariadne it's annoying to see stuff like this which suggests you can't use alpine on a desktop system
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                                @weirdtreething
                                Yeah, it is really unfortunate as Alpine is what finally convinced me Linux was viable as a personal computing OS after two decades of distrohopping, multibooting, and virtualizing Linux.

                                @ariadne

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                                • brett_e_carlock@mastodon.onlineB brett_e_carlock@mastodon.online

                                  @weirdtreething
                                  Yeah, it is really unfortunate as Alpine is what finally convinced me Linux was viable as a personal computing OS after two decades of distrohopping, multibooting, and virtualizing Linux.

                                  @ariadne

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                                  @Brett_E_Carlock @weirdtreething indeed, maybe some of us have different priorities than the typical GNU/Linux user/developer

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                                  • ariadne@social.treehouse.systemsA ariadne@social.treehouse.systems

                                    to be absolutely clear: alpine is *not* switching to systemd or implementing a 'systemd compatibility layer'.

                                    https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/alpine-linux-experiments-systemd-compatibility-while-keeping-its-lightweight-identity is literally AI slop

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                                    the moment i opened the page it slapped gemini widget on my face <img class="not-responsive emoji" src="https://outerheaven.club/emoji/neofox/neofox_baa_256.png" title=":neofox_baa:" />

                                    @ariadne@social.treehouse.systems

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                                    • ariadne@social.treehouse.systemsA ariadne@social.treehouse.systems

                                      to be absolutely clear: alpine is *not* switching to systemd or implementing a 'systemd compatibility layer'.

                                      https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/alpine-linux-experiments-systemd-compatibility-while-keeping-its-lightweight-identity is literally AI slop

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                                      @ariadne wow, that was painful to read. Literally.

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                                      • ariadne@social.treehouse.systemsA ariadne@social.treehouse.systems

                                        to be absolutely clear: alpine is *not* switching to systemd or implementing a 'systemd compatibility layer'.

                                        https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/alpine-linux-experiments-systemd-compatibility-while-keeping-its-lightweight-identity is literally AI slop

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                                        @ariadne 12 bullet lists in an article ? I love them as much as the next person, but even I know not to abuse them. No serious editor would have let this pass, seriously this is slop without even as much as a review pass.

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                                        • ariadne@social.treehouse.systemsA ariadne@social.treehouse.systems

                                          to be absolutely clear: alpine is *not* switching to systemd or implementing a 'systemd compatibility layer'.

                                          https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/alpine-linux-experiments-systemd-compatibility-while-keeping-its-lightweight-identity is literally AI slop

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                                          @ariadne TBH its hard to tell the difference between the slop excreted by Lunduke and that from an LLM these days they seem to have been converging over the years

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