You know what WON’T get stuck in the Strait of Hormuz?
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@Meema1616 @vnkr @greenpeace No, governments need to do that. People are not making up the rules to sway those policies when powerful lobbyist are at work behind the scenes. It’s about policy.
@Meema1616 @vnkr @greenpeace I feel Greenpeace is barking at the wrong tree, we all, myself included, do want a change in energy use. But we already know that. It still is a process, which takes time, more than we want but still it does. Amplifying a message is nice, playing along the policy way to change it is better. They should TALK more and invest in the science communication of it to pursuade them.
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@Meema1616 @vnkr @greenpeace No, governments need to do that. People are not making up the rules to sway those policies when powerful lobbyist are at work behind the scenes. It’s about policy.
@TomDB @Meema1616 @greenpeace governments absolutely need to do that. But they won't do that if we don't tell them it needs to be done.
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@TomDB @Meema1616 @greenpeace governments absolutely need to do that. But they won't do that if we don't tell them it needs to be done.
@vnkr @Meema1616 @greenpeace I haven’t met many governments that listened to their citizens unfortunately. 🫤
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@Meema1616 @vnkr @greenpeace I feel Greenpeace is barking at the wrong tree, we all, myself included, do want a change in energy use. But we already know that. It still is a process, which takes time, more than we want but still it does. Amplifying a message is nice, playing along the policy way to change it is better. They should TALK more and invest in the science communication of it to pursuade them.
@TomDB @vnkr @greenpeace I will continue the conversation but will ALWAYS PUSH FOR A CLEAN AIR PLANET SURVIVAL STRATEGY. Sorry my caps lock stayed on.
️ Billionaires have had their day dictating how I live. I’m a loud and proud planet advocate 
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@TomDB @greenpeace You ask for science and I return with ecological advantage. Solar panels produce zero greenhouse gases (GHGs) like carbon dioxide during operation.
A single residential system can offset approximately 100,000 pounds of carbon over 20 years, equivalent to planting over 100 trees annually.
Long term the distribution of solar or wind gives this planet a longer life. Lining pockets of petroleum billionaires not so much.@greenpeace You still have no solution for when it's dark. The time when we all are using (hopefully) electricity to heat our houses. They won't work then. I hope we all already know that not using fossil fuels is an ecological advantage but that was never my point. My point was about the practicality of providing the global population with the necessary energy. Ecological advantage has no meaning when you can't produce electricity when it's dark.
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@TomDB @vnkr @greenpeace I will continue the conversation but will ALWAYS PUSH FOR A CLEAN AIR PLANET SURVIVAL STRATEGY. Sorry my caps lock stayed on.
️ Billionaires have had their day dictating how I live. I’m a loud and proud planet advocate @Meema1616 @vnkr @greenpeace I applaud that, and I also wish for that future, but again, that was not my point. We're just not ready from a practical standpoint to switch all the fossil fuels right now to no fossil use. And greenpeace has been stubborn in keeping that narrative to the people like it already is. It's just not. Don't I want less fossil use? Off course I do. But I'm not blind for the reality of the present. No worries on the caps-lock
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You know what WON’T get stuck in the Strait of Hormuz?
Solar and wind energy
@greenpeace geothermal & passivhaus
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You know what WON’T get stuck in the Strait of Hormuz?
Solar and wind energy
@greenpeace What if the components for solar and wind farms are on ships going through there?
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@greenpeace And nuclear energy. Works great for years on end without any imports.
@collectifission Keep in mind that China is still too reliant for its oil coming via this route. And if The Belt and Road Initiative is to continue the transition to cleaner energy, like #TMSR tech, then China needs to have this source to implement its new 15 year strategy.
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You know what WON’T get stuck in the Strait of Hormuz?
Solar and wind energy
@greenpeace I’m sorry solar pannels travel from China to Europe through Suez, and the mining needed to produce them should worry your organization.
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@collectifission Keep in mind that China is still too reliant for its oil coming via this route. And if The Belt and Road Initiative is to continue the transition to cleaner energy, like #TMSR tech, then China needs to have this source to implement its new 15 year strategy.
@numodular yeah, I know. I was just responding to some Greenpeace shitposting
But this could create a silver lining: knowing how France went with the Messmer plan as a response to the 1970s oil crisis, this might in fact trigger something similar. It could be the biggest boon for nuclear power in a generation.
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You know what WON’T get stuck in the Strait of Hormuz?
Solar and wind energy
@greenpeace or the geotermal energy from the north
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@greenpeace Pity the sun doesn’t shine at night and battery complexes aren’t yet build over there. We’re not yet at the right stage for this comment.
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@Meema1616 @vnkr @greenpeace I applaud that, and I also wish for that future, but again, that was not my point. We're just not ready from a practical standpoint to switch all the fossil fuels right now to no fossil use. And greenpeace has been stubborn in keeping that narrative to the people like it already is. It's just not. Don't I want less fossil use? Off course I do. But I'm not blind for the reality of the present. No worries on the caps-lock
@TomDB @vnkr @greenpeace If we wait till the world ( who really does that mean?) is ready… well women wouldn’t vote, disease would still kill off babies ( soap was a game changer) oceans would all be polluted, we’d have never been capable of any change at all!!! We are watching as our forests die, as our ocean mammals suffer, as our planet screams ENOUGH! Waiting for Ready is just a state of inertia. Sometimes ready is NOW!
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@greenpeace if too many cargo ships are held up the Chinese solar arrays won't get delivered.
@greenpeace @bill_halcyon1 trains are great and they exist
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@greenpeace Pity the sun doesn’t shine at night and battery complexes aren’t yet build over there. We’re not yet at the right stage for this comment.
@TomDB @greenpeace Penfold, hush.
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@greenpeace Pity the sun doesn’t shine at night and battery complexes aren’t yet build over there. We’re not yet at the right stage for this comment.
@TomDB not *all* the oil in the world is in the Gulf. Oil does not need to become irrelevant for their regimes to be, just a 25% in demand would do. Yet here we are @greenpeace
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You know what WON’T get stuck in the Strait of Hormuz?
Solar and wind energy
@greenpeace thank god the international logistics of solar and wind tech are not bound by earthly distribution networks.
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You know what WON’T get stuck in the Strait of Hormuz?
Solar and wind energy
@greenpeace and nuclear ?
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You know what WON’T get stuck in the Strait of Hormuz?
Solar and wind energy
@greenpeace@mastodon.social
Pretty sure the blades for those wind turbines and the large solar arrays are travelling through the Strait of Hormuz on cargo ships that are no different then oil tankers. 99% of all solar panels come from China, and those blades can be hundreds of feet long.
