@keepandroidopen — this is the final push for our freedom of choice.
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@GrapheneOS @helloclippy @jfr_1980 @keepandroidopen look at all your reactions over here on Mastodon. And about the history Jolla and Russia, some reading https://jolla-devices.com/news/the-effects-of-the-war-in-ukraine-on-jolla-a-summary/
@richarddebruin @helloclippy @jfr_1980 @keepandroidopen The article you've linked is a very poor attempt at justifying the fact that they worked with Russia for 8 years following the invasion of Ukraine. They spent years directly working with an authoritarian regime run in the style of mafia organization. SailfishOS was developed in partnership with Russia. Russia didn't start attacking Ukraine in 2022 but rather 2014. Crimea and Donbass being part of Ukraine wasn't disputed by Russia pre-2014.
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@richarddebruin @helloclippy @jfr_1980 @keepandroidopen The article you've linked is a very poor attempt at justifying the fact that they worked with Russia for 8 years following the invasion of Ukraine. They spent years directly working with an authoritarian regime run in the style of mafia organization. SailfishOS was developed in partnership with Russia. Russia didn't start attacking Ukraine in 2022 but rather 2014. Crimea and Donbass being part of Ukraine wasn't disputed by Russia pre-2014.
@richarddebruin @helloclippy @jfr_1980 @keepandroidopen Downplaying choosing to closely work with an authoritarian regime invading a European country by claiming it was only in disputed territories prior to 2022 is absolute nonsense. GrapheneOS wouldn't even consider working with the Canadian government let alone working with Putin. Jolla has no values beyond money and that shows in how they've provided a platform on their own websites for blatant harassment of our team rather than stopping it.
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@richarddebruin @helloclippy @jfr_1980 @keepandroidopen Downplaying choosing to closely work with an authoritarian regime invading a European country by claiming it was only in disputed territories prior to 2022 is absolute nonsense. GrapheneOS wouldn't even consider working with the Canadian government let alone working with Putin. Jolla has no values beyond money and that shows in how they've provided a platform on their own websites for blatant harassment of our team rather than stopping it.
@richarddebruin @helloclippy @jfr_1980 @keepandroidopen Jolla worked with Putin's regime as he was killing off dissidents and illegally occupying large parts of a European country. Jolla's management hasn't changed to another group of people. It's the same people who have no issue closely working with authoritarians as it was before. They can try branding themselves as being for privacy and for Europe now but it rings hollow when the truth about their values is very easy to find.
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@helloclippy @jfr_1980 @GrapheneOS @lineageos @murena @sailfishosnews @keepandroidopen and they did. What do they drink or smoke at the GrapheneOS communication team? Everybody is evil except them. And promote an IPhone 17 when looking for European alternatives?
@richarddebruin @jfr_1980 @GrapheneOS @lineageos @murena @sailfishosnews @keepandroidopen XD they can't stop being weird
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@richarddebruin @jfr_1980 @GrapheneOS @lineageos @murena @sailfishosnews @keepandroidopen XD they can't stop being weird
@helloclippy @jfr_1980 @GrapheneOS @lineageos @murena @sailfishosnews @keepandroidopen and they continue and continue. Amazing 🫣
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@richarddebruin @jfr_1980 @GrapheneOS @lineageos @murena @sailfishosnews @keepandroidopen XD they can't stop being weird
@helloclippy @richarddebruin @jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen Strange statement from someone basing their online identities around a Kiwi Farmer who engages in serial harassment while claiming to be so progressive.
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@jfr_1980 @GrapheneOS @lineageos @murena @sailfishosnews @keepandroidopen Wait until the Graphene OS team shows up here roasting you for citing other operating systems XD
@helloclippy @jfr_1980 @keepandroidopen It's not surprising to see someone with an online identity based around content from a prominent Kiwi Farmer is making disingenous attacks on our project and team. We're going to continue countering the dishonest claims about us with factual information. You're trying and failing to misdirect away from it.
From your bio:
> I'm part of the LGBTQ+ community
Meanwhile, you support Kiwi Farmers and their attacks on us:
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@richarddebruin @jfr_1980 @GrapheneOS @lineageos @murena @sailfishosnews @keepandroidopen XD they can't stop being weird
@helloclippy @jfr_1980 @GrapheneOS @lineageos @murena @sailfishosnews @keepandroidopen and guess... they give me a block
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@GrapheneOS @jfr_1980 @Pizzasquidwithatophat @keepandroidopen and Motorola phones are not from China?
@richarddebruin They're being honest about it, unlike Fairphone.
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@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen Pixels are currently the only available devices providing reasonable security combined with proper alternate OS support. That's why those are the only devices we currently support. There are companies in Europe such as NitroKey selling phones with them which are not partnered with us and we aren't involved in it but it's permitted by the open source licensing. Our OEM partnership is a much different thing since the devices are being improved to support it.
@GrapheneOS @lineageos @keepandroidopen what about #punkt. with #AphyOS ? Apparently outdated tech and weak OS but still made in europe and provided with @threemaapp @protonprivacy @european_alternatives ? Just need some marketing to reach mainstream adoption
Punkt. MC03 Premium Secure Smartphone + 1 year of AphyOS Subscription (Europe Version)
Experience the Punkt smartphone MC03: A minimalist, privacy‑first device designed in Europe with Vault, Wild Web and 1‑year AphyOS subscription.
punkt.ch (www.punkt.ch)
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@richarddebruin @jfr_1980 @GrapheneOS @lineageos @murena @sailfishosnews @keepandroidopen XD they can't stop being weird
@helloclippy "they are weird" is all you manage to say after your BS was debunked? You're just embarrassing yourself at this point
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@helloclippy "they are weird" is all you manage to say after your BS was debunked? You're just embarrassing yourself at this point
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@helloclippy @jfr_1980 @GrapheneOS @lineageos @murena @sailfishosnews @keepandroidopen and guess... they give me a block
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@helloclippy "they are weird" is all you manage to say after your BS was debunked? You're just embarrassing yourself at this point
@Andromxda You can see my reply to @hornedfiend, where I explain my thoughts: https://techhub.social/@helloclippy/116150541854893630
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@helloclippy @jfr_1980 @GrapheneOS @lineageos @murena @sailfishosnews @keepandroidopen and guess... they give me a block
.@richarddebruin @jfr_1980 @GrapheneOS @lineageos @murena @sailfishosnews @keepandroidopen They blocked me too... really sad, because I really like Graphene OS
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@richarddebruin They're being honest about it, unlike Fairphone.
@Andromxda Fairphone not honest? Read their impact report (chapter 7.8.1, the rest is also nice to read) https://www.fairphone.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/Fairphone-Impact_Report-27-May.pdf
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@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen Pixels are currently the only available devices providing reasonable security combined with proper alternate OS support. That's why those are the only devices we currently support. There are companies in Europe such as NitroKey selling phones with them which are not partnered with us and we aren't involved in it but it's permitted by the open source licensing. Our OEM partnership is a much different thing since the devices are being improved to support it.
@GrapheneOS Could you elaborate on this part or provide a link if it is already described in more detail somewhere?
"the only available devices providing reasonable security combined with proper alternate OS support"
What do Pixels have that any other mainstream device with LineageOS support does not?
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@GrapheneOS Could you elaborate on this part or provide a link if it is already described in more detail somewhere?
"the only available devices providing reasonable security combined with proper alternate OS support"
What do Pixels have that any other mainstream device with LineageOS support does not?
@Paralhax LineageOS doesn't fully keep up with Android updates and privacy/security patches. It also doesn't fully keep the Android privacy/security model fully intact. It's not a privacy or security focused project in the same way. It's a downgrade from AOSP rather than a major upgrade. It's not rolling them back nearly as much as something like /e/ but it's still doing it. LineageOS lacks real security requirements for devices and on most don't have regular kernel, driver or firmware updates.
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@Paralhax LineageOS doesn't fully keep up with Android updates and privacy/security patches. It also doesn't fully keep the Android privacy/security model fully intact. It's not a privacy or security focused project in the same way. It's a downgrade from AOSP rather than a major upgrade. It's not rolling them back nearly as much as something like /e/ but it's still doing it. LineageOS lacks real security requirements for devices and on most don't have regular kernel, driver or firmware updates.
@Paralhax Nearly all the devices they support lack proper updates. There isn't a single device where they have updates even comparable to lagging behind the stock OS by a week. On Pixels, they end up way behind on kernel, driver and firmware updates after major OS updates since it takes months for them to port.
Most devices they support have no secure element meaning disk encryption doesn't truly work for the vast majority not using a strong passphrase with no extra convenience for it.
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@Paralhax Nearly all the devices they support lack proper updates. There isn't a single device where they have updates even comparable to lagging behind the stock OS by a week. On Pixels, they end up way behind on kernel, driver and firmware updates after major OS updates since it takes months for them to port.
Most devices they support have no secure element meaning disk encryption doesn't truly work for the vast majority not using a strong passphrase with no extra convenience for it.
@Paralhax They don't use hardware memory tagging, verified boot, etc. so of course it doesn't matter to them if devices support it.
The list of hardware requirements for GrapheneOS are at https://grapheneos.org/faq#future-devices. Our OEM partner needs to spend around a year getting this implemented. Their current devices don't meet the requirements although they already started making major improvements towards it. Other non-Pixel devices similarly don't meet these requirements. It's not one, it's multiple.
