@keepandroidopen — this is the final push for our freedom of choice.
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@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen Here's one of many cases of Duval doing that:
https://archive.is/SWXPJ
https://archive.is/n4yTOYou can easily confirm this is a neo-nazi conspiracy site. The content is clearly harassment content based around fabrications from Kiwi Farms. It links to content from Kiwi Farms members. The context was Duval trying to take advantage of authoritarian pressure on GrapheneOS in France as part of them cracking down on encrypted messaging and secure devices.
@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen We won't participate or support anything which involves or includes /e/ and Murena. Including them is excluding the people who they've spent years targeting with fabricated stories and harassment. If our support is wanted then people can stop including serial harassers and scammers. There is no coming back from what they've done to us. There will be no unity or collaboration with people who have done what they have. They should leave the industry completely.
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@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen We won't participate or support anything which involves or includes /e/ and Murena. Including them is excluding the people who they've spent years targeting with fabricated stories and harassment. If our support is wanted then people can stop including serial harassers and scammers. There is no coming back from what they've done to us. There will be no unity or collaboration with people who have done what they have. They should leave the industry completely.
@GrapheneOS @lineageos @keepandroidopen good to know about sailfish ! I ll check on murena , it sounds like fierce competition ? I dont get the why ? Still trying to find out best alternative outside the trumposphere. Europe needs to create more links with commonweatlh and Mercosur. You need to sell your soul and put graphene in some ready from shelf phone , we are not in 20th century anymore , we need large adoption options and convince mainstream media to support . the time is now.
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@GrapheneOS @lineageos @keepandroidopen good to know about sailfish ! I ll check on murena , it sounds like fierce competition ? I dont get the why ? Still trying to find out best alternative outside the trumposphere. Europe needs to create more links with commonweatlh and Mercosur. You need to sell your soul and put graphene in some ready from shelf phone , we are not in 20th century anymore , we need large adoption options and convince mainstream media to support . the time is now.
@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen GrapheneOS is a privacy and security hardened OS greatly improving those areas. /e/ is the direct opposite of it. /e/ massively reduces privacy and security compared to AOSP. /e/ lags extremely far behind on privacy/security patches including major OS updates required for full patches. /e/ adds a bunch of invasive services including one sending user data to OpenAI along with a bunch of always on Google services and privileged Google service integration.
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@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen GrapheneOS is a privacy and security hardened OS greatly improving those areas. /e/ is the direct opposite of it. /e/ massively reduces privacy and security compared to AOSP. /e/ lags extremely far behind on privacy/security patches including major OS updates required for full patches. /e/ adds a bunch of invasive services including one sending user data to OpenAI along with a bunch of always on Google services and privileged Google service integration.
@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen Instead of doing local processing for speech-to-text as Apple and GrapheneOS are doing, /e/ has a supposedly private service for it which actually just sends the sensitive user data to OpenAI and calls it anonymized since they pass it through their own servers:
Voice to Text feature using Open AI
As I was reading the Murena’s terms of use I discovered that the voice to text feature introduced with e/OS/ 3.0 is using the Open AI API. That means our voice is sent to Open AI so they can translate it to text. Murena…
/e/OS community (community.e.foundation)
It's representative of their approach. You should read https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/24134-devices-lacking-standard-privacysecurity-patches-and-protections-arent-private and the third party content from Divested Computing, Mike Kuketz and Eylenburg linked there.
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@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen Instead of doing local processing for speech-to-text as Apple and GrapheneOS are doing, /e/ has a supposedly private service for it which actually just sends the sensitive user data to OpenAI and calls it anonymized since they pass it through their own servers:
Voice to Text feature using Open AI
As I was reading the Murena’s terms of use I discovered that the voice to text feature introduced with e/OS/ 3.0 is using the Open AI API. That means our voice is sent to Open AI so they can translate it to text. Murena…
/e/OS community (community.e.foundation)
It's representative of their approach. You should read https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/24134-devices-lacking-standard-privacysecurity-patches-and-protections-arent-private and the third party content from Divested Computing, Mike Kuketz and Eylenburg linked there.
@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen A serious alternative to GrapheneOS is using an iPhone 17. Apple is providing strong privacy and security. They have their own end-to-end encrypted cloud services too but people can use many alternatives to those such as the Proton app suite on GrapheneOS.
/e/ isn't in the same space at all and we don't consider it competition. We worry about what Apple is implementing and how we can stay ahead / keep up, not a project doing nearly the opposite of us.
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@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen A serious alternative to GrapheneOS is using an iPhone 17. Apple is providing strong privacy and security. They have their own end-to-end encrypted cloud services too but people can use many alternatives to those such as the Proton app suite on GrapheneOS.
/e/ isn't in the same space at all and we don't consider it competition. We worry about what Apple is implementing and how we can stay ahead / keep up, not a project doing nearly the opposite of us.
@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen The reason we have a major issue with /e/ and Murena is because they've spent years misinforming people about GrapheneOS as part of falsely marketing their products/services. It's very much a for-profit company putting money about ethics. /e/ also has a separate non-profit which is used to build the products for the for-profit while funding them with grants / donations. The same people control both and are directly profiting from the supposed non-profit.
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@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen The reason we have a major issue with /e/ and Murena is because they've spent years misinforming people about GrapheneOS as part of falsely marketing their products/services. It's very much a for-profit company putting money about ethics. /e/ also has a separate non-profit which is used to build the products for the for-profit while funding them with grants / donations. The same people control both and are directly profiting from the supposed non-profit.
@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen
> You need to sell your soul and put graphene in some ready from shelf phone
There are companies selling phones with GrapheneOS.
You'll be happy to know one of the top 10 Android OEMs by sales is announcing a partnership with us early next month (March 2026). They're making devices meeting all of our requirements for updates and security features which will launch in 2027 with official support for GrapheneOS and perhaps variants with it preinstalled.
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@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen
> You need to sell your soul and put graphene in some ready from shelf phone
There are companies selling phones with GrapheneOS.
You'll be happy to know one of the top 10 Android OEMs by sales is announcing a partnership with us early next month (March 2026). They're making devices meeting all of our requirements for updates and security features which will launch in 2027 with official support for GrapheneOS and perhaps variants with it preinstalled.
@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen Pixels are currently the only available devices providing reasonable security combined with proper alternate OS support. That's why those are the only devices we currently support. There are companies in Europe such as NitroKey selling phones with them which are not partnered with us and we aren't involved in it but it's permitted by the open source licensing. Our OEM partnership is a much different thing since the devices are being improved to support it.
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@jfr_1980 @GrapheneOS @lineageos @murena @sailfishosnews @keepandroidopen Wait until the Graphene OS team shows up here roasting you for citing other operating systems XD
@helloclippy @jfr_1980 @GrapheneOS @lineageos @murena @sailfishosnews @keepandroidopen and they did. What do they drink or smoke at the GrapheneOS communication team? Everybody is evil except them. And promote an IPhone 17 when looking for European alternatives?
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@jfr_1980 @Pizzasquidwithatophat @keepandroidopen Fairphones are designed and manufactured by an ODM in China. They have poor updates and long term support despite the inaccurate marketing. Fairphone fails to provide basic kernel updates and portrays shipping updates years late as years of extra support. Fairphones have poor privacy and security regardless of OS choice. They're never going to support running GrapheneOS and are a dead end.
See https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/24134-devices-lacking-standard-privacysecurity-patches-and-protections-arent-private for much more information.
@GrapheneOS @jfr_1980 @Pizzasquidwithatophat @keepandroidopen and Motorola phones are not from China?
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@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen The reason we have a major issue with /e/ and Murena is because they've spent years misinforming people about GrapheneOS as part of falsely marketing their products/services. It's very much a for-profit company putting money about ethics. /e/ also has a separate non-profit which is used to build the products for the for-profit while funding them with grants / donations. The same people control both and are directly profiting from the supposed non-profit.
@GrapheneOS @lineageos @keepandroidopen the topic is not privacy nor ethics. Topic is provide freedom of choice and mainstream alternatives to people that cannot vote in US and sufffer from US administration madness. The missing dollar strategy to any US subordinated company by promoting products based on sovereignty marketing and make people switch to non us products to attack stock markets #MADEoutUSA
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@helloclippy @jfr_1980 @GrapheneOS @lineageos @murena @sailfishosnews @keepandroidopen and they did. What do they drink or smoke at the GrapheneOS communication team? Everybody is evil except them. And promote an IPhone 17 when looking for European alternatives?
@richarddebruin @helloclippy @jfr_1980 @@keepandroidopen No, what we did is speak out against two blatant scams focused on maximizing profit.
Supporting a company which spent 8 years closely working with Putin's regime starting AFTER they invaded Ukraine is a strange way of supporting Europe. Until very recently they were nearly majority owned by a Russian state enterprise. It's still the same management who own and run the company today. They're not anti-authoritarian at all.
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@jfr_1980 @GrapheneOS @lineageos @murena @sailfishosnews @keepandroidopen Wait until the Graphene OS team shows up here roasting you for citing other operating systems XD
@helloclippy @jfr_1980 @keepandroidopen We didn't say anything negative about them listing LineageOS as an alternative.
If you look at our response, you can see we only had criticism for the companies engaging in an extreme amount of false marketing to promote unsafe products.
One of those companies closely worked with Putin's regime for 8 years starting after his initial invasion of Ukraine. They're no longer nearly majority owned by a Russian state enterprise but those are their values...
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@GrapheneOS @lineageos @keepandroidopen the topic is not privacy nor ethics. Topic is provide freedom of choice and mainstream alternatives to people that cannot vote in US and sufffer from US administration madness. The missing dollar strategy to any US subordinated company by promoting products based on sovereignty marketing and make people switch to non us products to attack stock markets #MADEoutUSA
@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen Yet all of those are largely made with US tech. You're going to need to avoid the Snapdragon, the Linux kernel and a massive amount of other tech if you want to avoid technology primarily made and controlled within the US. A company being geographically located within the US doesn't mean the components and software they're using aren't largely US tech.
Europe is leading the charge on age verification, cracking down on end-to-end encryption, etc. not the US.
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@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen Yet all of those are largely made with US tech. You're going to need to avoid the Snapdragon, the Linux kernel and a massive amount of other tech if you want to avoid technology primarily made and controlled within the US. A company being geographically located within the US doesn't mean the components and software they're using aren't largely US tech.
Europe is leading the charge on age verification, cracking down on end-to-end encryption, etc. not the US.
@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen The EU passed Chat Control in a somewhat watered down form but it still passed. It's not going to be the end of it. We wouldn't feel very comfortable if we were based in the EU. We had to leave France and French providers entirely to protect our users because they've gone after organizations for providing secure devices before and started threatening to do the same to us due to GrapheneOS protecting devices from commercial exploit tools.
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@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen The EU passed Chat Control in a somewhat watered down form but it still passed. It's not going to be the end of it. We wouldn't feel very comfortable if we were based in the EU. We had to leave France and French providers entirely to protect our users because they've gone after organizations for providing secure devices before and started threatening to do the same to us due to GrapheneOS protecting devices from commercial exploit tools.
@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen Are you really so confident that France, Germany and other European countries aren't going to elect authoritarians? If you move to an OS and services largely marketed and based around the fact that they're French, you can't expect them to protect you from a future French government violating human rights even more than the current government. Governments are largely backing the whole digital sovereignty push because they want access and control themselves.
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@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen A serious alternative to GrapheneOS is using an iPhone 17. Apple is providing strong privacy and security. They have their own end-to-end encrypted cloud services too but people can use many alternatives to those such as the Proton app suite on GrapheneOS.
/e/ isn't in the same space at all and we don't consider it competition. We worry about what Apple is implementing and how we can stay ahead / keep up, not a project doing nearly the opposite of us.
@GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social @jfr_1980@mastodon.social @lineageos@lemmy.ml @keepandroidopen@techhub.social Thanks for pointing out those problems, but suggesting an iPhone as reply to a toot about avoiding American corporate control seems a bit off.
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@richarddebruin @helloclippy @jfr_1980 @@keepandroidopen No, what we did is speak out against two blatant scams focused on maximizing profit.
Supporting a company which spent 8 years closely working with Putin's regime starting AFTER they invaded Ukraine is a strange way of supporting Europe. Until very recently they were nearly majority owned by a Russian state enterprise. It's still the same management who own and run the company today. They're not anti-authoritarian at all.
@GrapheneOS @helloclippy @jfr_1980 @keepandroidopen look at all your reactions over here on Mastodon. And about the history Jolla and Russia, some reading https://jolla-devices.com/news/the-effects-of-the-war-in-ukraine-on-jolla-a-summary/
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@GrapheneOS @jfr_1980 @Pizzasquidwithatophat @keepandroidopen and Motorola phones are not from China?
@richarddebruin @jfr_1980 @Pizzasquidwithatophat @keepandroidopen Fairphone's devices aren't only manufactured for them in China but rather nearly all of the development of the hardware and software is done there. Fairphone does little of the engineering themselves. That's vastly different from Pixels and iPhones despite those being manufactured in China. They're capable of switching to another manufacturer while Fairphone doesn't have control of their own products in that sense.
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@GrapheneOS @helloclippy @jfr_1980 @keepandroidopen look at all your reactions over here on Mastodon. And about the history Jolla and Russia, some reading https://jolla-devices.com/news/the-effects-of-the-war-in-ukraine-on-jolla-a-summary/
@richarddebruin @helloclippy @jfr_1980 @keepandroidopen The article you've linked is a very poor attempt at justifying the fact that they worked with Russia for 8 years following the invasion of Ukraine. They spent years directly working with an authoritarian regime run in the style of mafia organization. SailfishOS was developed in partnership with Russia. Russia didn't start attacking Ukraine in 2022 but rather 2014. Crimea and Donbass being part of Ukraine wasn't disputed by Russia pre-2014.
