@keepandroidopen — this is the final push for our freedom of choice.
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@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen The EU passed Chat Control in a somewhat watered down form but it still passed. It's not going to be the end of it. We wouldn't feel very comfortable if we were based in the EU. We had to leave France and French providers entirely to protect our users because they've gone after organizations for providing secure devices before and started threatening to do the same to us due to GrapheneOS protecting devices from commercial exploit tools.
@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen Are you really so confident that France, Germany and other European countries aren't going to elect authoritarians? If you move to an OS and services largely marketed and based around the fact that they're French, you can't expect them to protect you from a future French government violating human rights even more than the current government. Governments are largely backing the whole digital sovereignty push because they want access and control themselves.
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@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen A serious alternative to GrapheneOS is using an iPhone 17. Apple is providing strong privacy and security. They have their own end-to-end encrypted cloud services too but people can use many alternatives to those such as the Proton app suite on GrapheneOS.
/e/ isn't in the same space at all and we don't consider it competition. We worry about what Apple is implementing and how we can stay ahead / keep up, not a project doing nearly the opposite of us.
@GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social @jfr_1980@mastodon.social @lineageos@lemmy.ml @keepandroidopen@techhub.social Thanks for pointing out those problems, but suggesting an iPhone as reply to a toot about avoiding American corporate control seems a bit off.
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@richarddebruin @helloclippy @jfr_1980 @@keepandroidopen No, what we did is speak out against two blatant scams focused on maximizing profit.
Supporting a company which spent 8 years closely working with Putin's regime starting AFTER they invaded Ukraine is a strange way of supporting Europe. Until very recently they were nearly majority owned by a Russian state enterprise. It's still the same management who own and run the company today. They're not anti-authoritarian at all.
@GrapheneOS @helloclippy @jfr_1980 @keepandroidopen look at all your reactions over here on Mastodon. And about the history Jolla and Russia, some reading https://jolla-devices.com/news/the-effects-of-the-war-in-ukraine-on-jolla-a-summary/
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@GrapheneOS @jfr_1980 @Pizzasquidwithatophat @keepandroidopen and Motorola phones are not from China?
@richarddebruin @jfr_1980 @Pizzasquidwithatophat @keepandroidopen Fairphone's devices aren't only manufactured for them in China but rather nearly all of the development of the hardware and software is done there. Fairphone does little of the engineering themselves. That's vastly different from Pixels and iPhones despite those being manufactured in China. They're capable of switching to another manufacturer while Fairphone doesn't have control of their own products in that sense.
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@GrapheneOS @helloclippy @jfr_1980 @keepandroidopen look at all your reactions over here on Mastodon. And about the history Jolla and Russia, some reading https://jolla-devices.com/news/the-effects-of-the-war-in-ukraine-on-jolla-a-summary/
@richarddebruin @helloclippy @jfr_1980 @keepandroidopen The article you've linked is a very poor attempt at justifying the fact that they worked with Russia for 8 years following the invasion of Ukraine. They spent years directly working with an authoritarian regime run in the style of mafia organization. SailfishOS was developed in partnership with Russia. Russia didn't start attacking Ukraine in 2022 but rather 2014. Crimea and Donbass being part of Ukraine wasn't disputed by Russia pre-2014.
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@richarddebruin @helloclippy @jfr_1980 @keepandroidopen The article you've linked is a very poor attempt at justifying the fact that they worked with Russia for 8 years following the invasion of Ukraine. They spent years directly working with an authoritarian regime run in the style of mafia organization. SailfishOS was developed in partnership with Russia. Russia didn't start attacking Ukraine in 2022 but rather 2014. Crimea and Donbass being part of Ukraine wasn't disputed by Russia pre-2014.
@richarddebruin @helloclippy @jfr_1980 @keepandroidopen Downplaying choosing to closely work with an authoritarian regime invading a European country by claiming it was only in disputed territories prior to 2022 is absolute nonsense. GrapheneOS wouldn't even consider working with the Canadian government let alone working with Putin. Jolla has no values beyond money and that shows in how they've provided a platform on their own websites for blatant harassment of our team rather than stopping it.
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@richarddebruin @helloclippy @jfr_1980 @keepandroidopen Downplaying choosing to closely work with an authoritarian regime invading a European country by claiming it was only in disputed territories prior to 2022 is absolute nonsense. GrapheneOS wouldn't even consider working with the Canadian government let alone working with Putin. Jolla has no values beyond money and that shows in how they've provided a platform on their own websites for blatant harassment of our team rather than stopping it.
@richarddebruin @helloclippy @jfr_1980 @keepandroidopen Jolla worked with Putin's regime as he was killing off dissidents and illegally occupying large parts of a European country. Jolla's management hasn't changed to another group of people. It's the same people who have no issue closely working with authoritarians as it was before. They can try branding themselves as being for privacy and for Europe now but it rings hollow when the truth about their values is very easy to find.
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@helloclippy @jfr_1980 @GrapheneOS @lineageos @murena @sailfishosnews @keepandroidopen and they did. What do they drink or smoke at the GrapheneOS communication team? Everybody is evil except them. And promote an IPhone 17 when looking for European alternatives?
@richarddebruin @jfr_1980 @GrapheneOS @lineageos @murena @sailfishosnews @keepandroidopen XD they can't stop being weird
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@richarddebruin @jfr_1980 @GrapheneOS @lineageos @murena @sailfishosnews @keepandroidopen XD they can't stop being weird
@helloclippy @jfr_1980 @GrapheneOS @lineageos @murena @sailfishosnews @keepandroidopen and they continue and continue. Amazing 🫣
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@richarddebruin @jfr_1980 @GrapheneOS @lineageos @murena @sailfishosnews @keepandroidopen XD they can't stop being weird
@helloclippy @richarddebruin @jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen Strange statement from someone basing their online identities around a Kiwi Farmer who engages in serial harassment while claiming to be so progressive.
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@jfr_1980 @GrapheneOS @lineageos @murena @sailfishosnews @keepandroidopen Wait until the Graphene OS team shows up here roasting you for citing other operating systems XD
@helloclippy @jfr_1980 @keepandroidopen It's not surprising to see someone with an online identity based around content from a prominent Kiwi Farmer is making disingenous attacks on our project and team. We're going to continue countering the dishonest claims about us with factual information. You're trying and failing to misdirect away from it.
From your bio:
> I'm part of the LGBTQ+ community
Meanwhile, you support Kiwi Farmers and their attacks on us:
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@richarddebruin @jfr_1980 @GrapheneOS @lineageos @murena @sailfishosnews @keepandroidopen XD they can't stop being weird
@helloclippy @jfr_1980 @GrapheneOS @lineageos @murena @sailfishosnews @keepandroidopen and guess... they give me a block
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@GrapheneOS @jfr_1980 @Pizzasquidwithatophat @keepandroidopen and Motorola phones are not from China?
@richarddebruin They're being honest about it, unlike Fairphone.
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@jfr_1980 @lineageos @keepandroidopen Pixels are currently the only available devices providing reasonable security combined with proper alternate OS support. That's why those are the only devices we currently support. There are companies in Europe such as NitroKey selling phones with them which are not partnered with us and we aren't involved in it but it's permitted by the open source licensing. Our OEM partnership is a much different thing since the devices are being improved to support it.
@GrapheneOS @lineageos @keepandroidopen what about #punkt. with #AphyOS ? Apparently outdated tech and weak OS but still made in europe and provided with @threemaapp @protonprivacy @european_alternatives ? Just need some marketing to reach mainstream adoption
Punkt. MC03 Premium Secure Smartphone + 1 year of AphyOS Subscription (Europe Version)
Experience the Punkt smartphone MC03: A minimalist, privacy‑first device designed in Europe with Vault, Wild Web and 1‑year AphyOS subscription.
punkt.ch (www.punkt.ch)
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@richarddebruin @jfr_1980 @GrapheneOS @lineageos @murena @sailfishosnews @keepandroidopen XD they can't stop being weird
@helloclippy "they are weird" is all you manage to say after your BS was debunked? You're just embarrassing yourself at this point
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@helloclippy "they are weird" is all you manage to say after your BS was debunked? You're just embarrassing yourself at this point
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@helloclippy @jfr_1980 @GrapheneOS @lineageos @murena @sailfishosnews @keepandroidopen and guess... they give me a block
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@helloclippy "they are weird" is all you manage to say after your BS was debunked? You're just embarrassing yourself at this point
@Andromxda You can see my reply to @hornedfiend, where I explain my thoughts: https://techhub.social/@helloclippy/116150541854893630
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@helloclippy @jfr_1980 @GrapheneOS @lineageos @murena @sailfishosnews @keepandroidopen and guess... they give me a block
.@richarddebruin @jfr_1980 @GrapheneOS @lineageos @murena @sailfishosnews @keepandroidopen They blocked me too... really sad, because I really like Graphene OS
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@richarddebruin They're being honest about it, unlike Fairphone.
@Andromxda Fairphone not honest? Read their impact report (chapter 7.8.1, the rest is also nice to read) https://www.fairphone.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/Fairphone-Impact_Report-27-May.pdf
