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Welp. I've been using GitLab for over a decade and have been pretty happy with it.

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  • lazyb0y@mastodon.socialL lazyb0y@mastodon.social

    @rysiek

    they try to handle this by using multiple Agents now, and one gets the „personality“ of the reviewer, one for writing the concepts and requirements etc.

    but if no human cares to thoroughly sit down and describe precisely what the real needs are that the software and its features must fulfill and how the fulfillment of these requirements can be verified (acceptance criteria) , a project will never fulfill the needs of humans or the company they work for

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    @rysiek

    so i also want to add proper requirements definition and product ownership to the list of things to be done by humans but missing in many projects, making them fail in terms of providing the needed functionality or explode in cost, most often both…

    if you just tell an AI extremely unclear what you want it will not complain like a human engineer - it will just deliver something vaguely matching the vaguely defined requirements…

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    • lazyb0y@mastodon.socialL lazyb0y@mastodon.social

      @rysiek

      so i also want to add proper requirements definition and product ownership to the list of things to be done by humans but missing in many projects, making them fail in terms of providing the needed functionality or explode in cost, most often both…

      if you just tell an AI extremely unclear what you want it will not complain like a human engineer - it will just deliver something vaguely matching the vaguely defined requirements…

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      @rysiek

      that will feel more comfortable to some managers because they dont like to feel resistance or get criticism for unclear requirements… but also just create huge piles of unsuitable crap software

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      • lazyb0y@mastodon.socialL lazyb0y@mastodon.social

        @rysiek

        they try to handle this by using multiple Agents now, and one gets the „personality“ of the reviewer, one for writing the concepts and requirements etc.

        but if no human cares to thoroughly sit down and describe precisely what the real needs are that the software and its features must fulfill and how the fulfillment of these requirements can be verified (acceptance criteria) , a project will never fulfill the needs of humans or the company they work for

        rysiek@mstdn.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
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        #16

        @lazyb0y no amount of description, however "thorough" or "precise", will be enough. Dijkstra knew this decades ago:
        https://www.cs.utexas.edu/~EWD/transcriptions/EWD06xx/EWD667.html

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        • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

          Welp. I've been using GitLab for over a decade and have been pretty happy with it. Deployed and maintained several instances, some personal, some for small hobby orgs, some for work.

          But it looks like it is time to ditch GitLab for good:

          > Software will be built by machines, directed by people. AI is the substrate on which future software gets built. Agents will plan, code, review, deploy, and repair.
          https://about.gitlab.com/blog/gitlab-act-2/

          #GitLab #AI #FuckAI #SoftwareDevelopment

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          #17

          @rysiek There's a chance this is just some yapping about how great AI is to make investors happy.
          But its best to remain cautious

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          • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

            Welp. I've been using GitLab for over a decade and have been pretty happy with it. Deployed and maintained several instances, some personal, some for small hobby orgs, some for work.

            But it looks like it is time to ditch GitLab for good:

            > Software will be built by machines, directed by people. AI is the substrate on which future software gets built. Agents will plan, code, review, deploy, and repair.
            https://about.gitlab.com/blog/gitlab-act-2/

            #GitLab #AI #FuckAI #SoftwareDevelopment

            heluecht@pirati.caH This user is from outside of this forum
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            #18

            @rysiek "right-sizing" is such an euphemistic way to say that people will be fired. This decision to move that way was surely not driven by the development department but by their investors.

            I guess that this currently happens in a lot of companies. And I really can't see that this will go out well. This whole "The AI will save us multiple people" doesn't work. Sure, it speeds up things, but it increases the review time a lot. And when I understood that post in the right way, they even dream of letting humans completely out of the loop - and that will fail.

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            • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

              Software has been "built by machines, directed by people" for decades.

              That's what compilers and linkers do, that's what uncountable lines of Bash and endless CI/CD pipelines are – machines building software, directed by people.

              And for decades, the bottleneck has not been churning out code. It was code review, it was quality control, it was bug fixing. AI slop makes that *worse*, not better:
              https://freakonometrics.hypotheses.org/89367

              GitLab, and the rest of the industry, is solving for the wrong problem.

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              #19

              @rysiek loved this article. Very well thought out.

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              • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

                Welp. I've been using GitLab for over a decade and have been pretty happy with it. Deployed and maintained several instances, some personal, some for small hobby orgs, some for work.

                But it looks like it is time to ditch GitLab for good:

                > Software will be built by machines, directed by people. AI is the substrate on which future software gets built. Agents will plan, code, review, deploy, and repair.
                https://about.gitlab.com/blog/gitlab-act-2/

                #GitLab #AI #FuckAI #SoftwareDevelopment

                nzjayzee@mastodon.nzN This user is from outside of this forum
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                @rysiek first you lock in your customers, then you lock in your investors...

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                • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

                  Welp. I've been using GitLab for over a decade and have been pretty happy with it. Deployed and maintained several instances, some personal, some for small hobby orgs, some for work.

                  But it looks like it is time to ditch GitLab for good:

                  > Software will be built by machines, directed by people. AI is the substrate on which future software gets built. Agents will plan, code, review, deploy, and repair.
                  https://about.gitlab.com/blog/gitlab-act-2/

                  #GitLab #AI #FuckAI #SoftwareDevelopment

                  britter@chaos.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @rysiek time to move to frogejo 🤷‍♂️

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                  • eichi@mastodon.bierschutzpartei.deE eichi@mastodon.bierschutzpartei.de

                    @rysiek There's a chance this is just some yapping about how great AI is to make investors happy.
                    But its best to remain cautious

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                    #22

                    @Eichi whatever it is, it is a huge red flag and does not deserve the benefit of the doubt.

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                    • heluecht@pirati.caH heluecht@pirati.ca

                      @rysiek "right-sizing" is such an euphemistic way to say that people will be fired. This decision to move that way was surely not driven by the development department but by their investors.

                      I guess that this currently happens in a lot of companies. And I really can't see that this will go out well. This whole "The AI will save us multiple people" doesn't work. Sure, it speeds up things, but it increases the review time a lot. And when I understood that post in the right way, they even dream of letting humans completely out of the loop - and that will fail.

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                      #23

                      @heluecht "right-sizing" is just a euphemism for "we, the management, fucked up long-term planning and over-hired; we are bad at our jobs, but since we are calling the shots, we are not the ones who will pay for them."

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                      • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

                        Welp. I've been using GitLab for over a decade and have been pretty happy with it. Deployed and maintained several instances, some personal, some for small hobby orgs, some for work.

                        But it looks like it is time to ditch GitLab for good:

                        > Software will be built by machines, directed by people. AI is the substrate on which future software gets built. Agents will plan, code, review, deploy, and repair.
                        https://about.gitlab.com/blog/gitlab-act-2/

                        #GitLab #AI #FuckAI #SoftwareDevelopment

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                        @rysiek we will write own git repo mgr with rust and horses

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                        • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

                          Welp. I've been using GitLab for over a decade and have been pretty happy with it. Deployed and maintained several instances, some personal, some for small hobby orgs, some for work.

                          But it looks like it is time to ditch GitLab for good:

                          > Software will be built by machines, directed by people. AI is the substrate on which future software gets built. Agents will plan, code, review, deploy, and repair.
                          https://about.gitlab.com/blog/gitlab-act-2/

                          #GitLab #AI #FuckAI #SoftwareDevelopment

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                          @rysiek grossssssssssssssss

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                          • britter@chaos.socialB britter@chaos.social

                            @rysiek time to move to frogejo 🤷‍♂️

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                            @britter @rysiek 🐸☕️

                            "Frogjoe" 👍

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                            • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

                              Welp. I've been using GitLab for over a decade and have been pretty happy with it. Deployed and maintained several instances, some personal, some for small hobby orgs, some for work.

                              But it looks like it is time to ditch GitLab for good:

                              > Software will be built by machines, directed by people. AI is the substrate on which future software gets built. Agents will plan, code, review, deploy, and repair.
                              https://about.gitlab.com/blog/gitlab-act-2/

                              #GitLab #AI #FuckAI #SoftwareDevelopment

                              rbphotographic@mastodon.worldR This user is from outside of this forum
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                              @rysiek looks like need to start looking for an alternative.

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                              • rbphotographic@mastodon.worldR rbphotographic@mastodon.world

                                @rysiek looks like need to start looking for an alternative.

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                                @rbphotographic I am probably going to replace my GitLab instance with Forgejo.

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                                • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

                                  Welp. I've been using GitLab for over a decade and have been pretty happy with it. Deployed and maintained several instances, some personal, some for small hobby orgs, some for work.

                                  But it looks like it is time to ditch GitLab for good:

                                  > Software will be built by machines, directed by people. AI is the substrate on which future software gets built. Agents will plan, code, review, deploy, and repair.
                                  https://about.gitlab.com/blog/gitlab-act-2/

                                  #GitLab #AI #FuckAI #SoftwareDevelopment

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                                  @rysiek ugh. I have been debating where I wanted to move to when I ditch GitHub for close to a year now. I got real hinky 'vibes' when I looked at GitLab's website last week and the entire homepage was a love letter to AI. Fuck that shit. Self hosed Forgego or Codeberg it is then.

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                                  • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

                                    @rbphotographic I am probably going to replace my GitLab instance with Forgejo.

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                                    @rysiek ill look into it.

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                                    • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

                                      And if you've read that far and you're in IT, I have one word for you: unionize. ✊

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                                      @rysiek Which is in stark contrast to some developers commentary, elsewhere and on here, about *waves hands all over* the situation: "we'll just have to wait and see what happens"

                                      Wait for what? I don't know how many times I've worked with folks and their default behavior is "We'll just have to let the bad thing keep happening and maybe management will realize the problem". It only gets worse.

                                      If they have an audience/platform, clout, or money _they should be pushing people to unionize_.

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                                      • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

                                        Welp. I've been using GitLab for over a decade and have been pretty happy with it. Deployed and maintained several instances, some personal, some for small hobby orgs, some for work.

                                        But it looks like it is time to ditch GitLab for good:

                                        > Software will be built by machines, directed by people. AI is the substrate on which future software gets built. Agents will plan, code, review, deploy, and repair.
                                        https://about.gitlab.com/blog/gitlab-act-2/

                                        #GitLab #AI #FuckAI #SoftwareDevelopment

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                                        @rysiek

                                        /me packs his bags.

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                                        • zimzat@mastodon.socialZ zimzat@mastodon.social

                                          @rysiek Which is in stark contrast to some developers commentary, elsewhere and on here, about *waves hands all over* the situation: "we'll just have to wait and see what happens"

                                          Wait for what? I don't know how many times I've worked with folks and their default behavior is "We'll just have to let the bad thing keep happening and maybe management will realize the problem". It only gets worse.

                                          If they have an audience/platform, clout, or money _they should be pushing people to unionize_.

                                          rysiek@mstdn.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          #33

                                          @zimzat yup.

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