Anti-AI zealots: Get ready to scrub your beloved #Linux from your hard drives, or maybe switch to #devuan?

[freya@social.highenergymagic.net]

@feoh I mean that's true, and I end up using them for camera shit but holy fuck no they're going nowhere near my servers

[techokami@woof.tech]

@freya @feoh Devuan is basically all the grumpy Debian veterans who were pissed that the init system was replaced *AT ALL* on Debian, so they forked.

[freya@social.highenergymagic.net]

@feoh something suggests Illumos (the primary OS of my hypervisor) will not get LLM code any time soon

[dashdsrdash@tilde.zone]

@feoh

When I get a round tuit of sufficient size, I'm going to take a whack at setting up Debian with nosh (http://jdebp.info/Softwares/nosh/)

[techokami@woof.tech]

@CursedSilicon @feoh what the fuck did I just read

[freya@social.highenergymagic.net]

@techokami @feoh are there Devuan cloud images available with cloud-init? If no, I can install from ISO, I just like autoprovisioning by my hypervisor

[techokami@woof.tech]

@freya @feoh I have no idea! I'm a Fedora user myself, I'm just aware of the entire Devuan origin story.

[feoh@oldbytes.space]

@dashdsrdash You would get along with my other friend from Derry, NH who was also a disciple of djb for yonks and ran djbdns until it died of old age

I will freely admit to not caring that much about init systems.

SysV init worked just fine for my needs for a very long time. It had warts and shortcomings, but all software does.

nosh does look neat. It definitely "feels" more UNIX-y than systemd, which feels more like an enterprise developer decided to write an init system, missed Spring and Hibernate, and lift and shifted them over to their new project, if only in spirit and bulk

[dvshkn@social.treehouse.systems]

@feoh between this and the age verification field they should have near 100% coverage for user alienation

[cursedsilicon@social.restless.systems]

@techokami @feoh Enrico Weigelt, aka "Metux"

He's also the guy that Linus Torvalds personally told to fuck off the LKML for being an antivaxxer!

Weirdly, he's super popular in #devuan

[techokami@woof.tech]

@CursedSilicon @feoh uhoh, that's... not a good sign

[nimonomiyoa@meow.social]

@techokami @CursedSilicon @feoh what the FUCK did i just read holy fucking shit this is insane

[cursedsilicon@social.restless.systems]

@techokami @feoh he's also the guy who founded "Xlibre" because Wayland was too woke or something

Oops

[techokami@woof.tech]

@CursedSilicon @feoh WELP, Devuan is cursed

[millihertz@oldbytes.space]

@techokami @CursedSilicon @feoh i knew there was a reason i was giving devuan a very wide berth - i'd forgotten that was it.

bookmarked now, so i don't forget again

[cursedsilicon@social.restless.systems]

@millihertz @techokami @feoh Some days I feel like a bard but all I ever do is tell tales of people being complete fucking assholes

[millihertz@oldbytes.space]

@CursedSilicon @techokami @feoh such is the lot of the post-truth era Cassandra

[techokami@woof.tech]

@CursedSilicon @millihertz @feoh The only thing I could remember about Devuan was the forking because sysvinit removal from Debian thing... and it turns out the whole thing is a toxic dumpster fire

[cursedsilicon@social.restless.systems]

@millihertz @techokami @feoh I'm so tired of events

[moses_izumi@fe.disroot.org]

@techokami @CursedSilicon @millihertz @feoh
I avoid Devuan because the installer sucks, and Antix/MX Linux already does the "debian without systemd"-thing.
(also has some neat GUI-based config tools, that should probably be standard-issue on any graphical Unix offshoot)