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  • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

    @Tattered @roblosricos @Npars01

    yes china delivered those things

    with capitalism. combined with no human rights. totalitarian capitalism

    and so i look at your bio and i am struck at the contrast. between someone who proclaims rights, and yet is so eager to betray rights. and i wonder. is it a troll? do you lack the capacity to understand your profound hypocrisy?

    i sniffed you out as a tankie from the get go. i just had to confirm it. and you did

    my friend:

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    @Tattered @roblosricos @Npars01

    there is no such thing as being on the left, and championing authoritarianism. they are completely incompatible positions. a tankie is merely a fascist at some intermediate ideological evolutionary state. with MAGA at least they are honest about their vile bigotry. tankies? they want the same as MAGA, but don't know, or don't care

    my honest feelings about you i have to censor or i will be banned

    you are not on the left, and you are in some ways worse than MAGA

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    • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

      @Tattered @roblosricos @Npars01

      there is no such thing as being on the left, and championing authoritarianism. they are completely incompatible positions. a tankie is merely a fascist at some intermediate ideological evolutionary state. with MAGA at least they are honest about their vile bigotry. tankies? they want the same as MAGA, but don't know, or don't care

      my honest feelings about you i have to censor or i will be banned

      you are not on the left, and you are in some ways worse than MAGA

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      @Tattered @roblosricos @Npars01

      i unfollowed you, i forced you to unfollow me. do not speak to me ever again, you rotten delusional piece of shit

      you are not of the left. not that you fucking tankies will ever stop lying to yourselves about that

      fucking pathetic self-deluding morons. good lord are tankies worse than MAGA: MAGA is at least honest about its malice. tankies like you? the rank hypocrisy in such sweet words behind which is nothing but vile rights destroying fascist intent

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      • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

        @Tattered @roblosricos @Npars01

        i unfollowed you, i forced you to unfollow me. do not speak to me ever again, you rotten delusional piece of shit

        you are not of the left. not that you fucking tankies will ever stop lying to yourselves about that

        fucking pathetic self-deluding morons. good lord are tankies worse than MAGA: MAGA is at least honest about its malice. tankies like you? the rank hypocrisy in such sweet words behind which is nothing but vile rights destroying fascist intent

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        @benroyce @roblosricos @Npars01

        Wow!

        OK.

        As you wish.

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        • tattered@social.vivaldi.netT tattered@social.vivaldi.net

          @benroyce @roblosricos @Npars01

          Wow!

          OK.

          As you wish.

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          @Tattered @roblosricos @Npars01

          🖕 🖕 🖕

          trip and fall on your front steps and wind up in the hospital, you tankie piece of shit. you are not of the left. you are worse than MAGA. and the biggest joke is you tankies don't even know it, as you work hard for fascism

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            @mike805 @roblosricos @Npars01 @benroyce

            There are a few asterisks. Uruguay's peak demand is below 2GW. They've about 1.5GW of hydro capacity. They've added some 1.6GW of biomass capacity which they use to generate about .3GW baseline – this in itself brings extra questions.
            And about 1.5GW of wind capacity which they use to supplement hydro.

            During peaks they still use oil power, like right at this moment.

            In the region there's for example Paraguay that uses virtually pure hydro.

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            • tattered@social.vivaldi.netT tattered@social.vivaldi.net

              @benroyce @roblosricos @Npars01 There are as many problems with democracy, as far as I can see.

              No British Prime Minister has supported broad socialist policies since Wilson.

              Democracies have been responsible for far more wars of aggression in my lifetime than autocracies.

              European democracies are tending toward fascism, on a sliding scale from Orban to Macron deliberately obstructing the public choice of a socialist prime minister.

              If we compare Xi with Obama, one of these leaders was engaged in overseas wars of aggression, in which he oversaw the use of drone warfare, with resultant civilian casualties. One of these leaders has also raised millions of his citizens out of abject poverty.

              Democracy as an ideal is better than authoritarianism as an ideal. However, a number of fascist dictators have been installed by the democratic process, including Hitler. I live in a democracy that has had single-party rule for all but two short periods in its postwar history.

              1/2

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              @Tattered@social.vivaldi.net @Npars01@mstdn.social @benroyce@mastodon.social @roblosricos@mastodon.social

              No British Prime Minister has supported broad socialist policies since Wilson.
              The UK has always tended toward repressive governance. It only began to lurch leftwards in two spurts:

              The first after WW1 with changes to voting eligibility - the majority of soldiers heading to France and 0% of women had the vote.

              While the welfare state didn't emerge until after WW2.

              Both advancements were concessions to head off discontent caused by the enormous tolls of both wars.

              During the Wilson government the British army spontaneously decided to carry out "exercises" at Heathrow airport, setting up checkpoints without informing parliament, publicly indicating a willingness to act without parliament's approval. Meanwhile in private Andrew's uncle, Mountbatten, 1st Earl Mountbatten of Burma, applied pressure insisting the Queen let him lead a coup against the Wilson government.

              When the coup didn't materialise a "rogue" group of British army black-ops situated in Northern Ireland commenced a smear campaign against Wilson in the press in mainland Britain. Mountbatten spent a lot of time in Northern Ireland (itself a whole topic with his name seemingly inseparable from that of Kincora Boys Home).

              Post Wilson, we could also get into McWhirter coming up with the ideology that came to be known as Thatcherism and spoon feeding it to a rising star of the Tories, and the fact Thatcher opted to squander North Sea oil on a series of showcase policies which included those famous Victorian values of targeting leftism and access to education for the less wealthy.

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              • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                "Zelensky says allies asked him to scale back attacks on Russian energy"

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                Yeah, fuck that

                Fuck any country in Europe still stuck on #oil and #gas

                Fuck bigot Americans in giant low fuel economy pickup trucks whining

                Fuck you India, Fuck you China

                Fuck you all

                All countries:

                Get the fuck off oil and gas. Period. End of story

                Addressing the #climatecrisis and defunding vile regimes is job #1

                #Zelensky:

                Pulverize #Russia's #energy sector to oblivion

                #UkraineWar

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                @benroyce damn right, burn em to the ground! Could not believe trump regime ordered construction of wind farms shut down and even paid one developer $1B of our tax money to stop construction!

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                • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                  "Zelensky says allies asked him to scale back attacks on Russian energy"

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                  Ukraine's president says partners asked if the attacks could be "reduced" as prices soar due to the Iran war.

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                  Yeah, fuck that

                  Fuck any country in Europe still stuck on #oil and #gas

                  Fuck bigot Americans in giant low fuel economy pickup trucks whining

                  Fuck you India, Fuck you China

                  Fuck you all

                  All countries:

                  Get the fuck off oil and gas. Period. End of story

                  Addressing the #climatecrisis and defunding vile regimes is job #1

                  #Zelensky:

                  Pulverize #Russia's #energy sector to oblivion

                  #UkraineWar

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                  @benroyce lol

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                  • clot27@mastodon.socialC clot27@mastodon.social

                    @benroyce lol

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                    @clot27

                    i know right? russia is a fucking joke

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                    • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                      @Tattered @roblosricos @Npars01

                      yes china delivered those things

                      with capitalism. combined with no human rights. totalitarian capitalism

                      and so i look at your bio and i am struck at the contrast. between someone who proclaims rights, and yet is so eager to betray rights. and i wonder. is it a troll? do you lack the capacity to understand your profound hypocrisy?

                      i sniffed you out as a tankie from the get go. i just had to confirm it. and you did

                      my friend:

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                      @benroyce@mastodon.social @Npars01@mstdn.social @Tattered@social.vivaldi.net @roblosricos@mastodon.social I was ... "wait what" so looked to see what was going on with the thread above this, and man... I don't have the time to read, but man... Ah well. I guess I'll find out after this what my experience is. Thanks for giving me a hint, that became much more than a hint...

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                      • jigmedatse@social.openpsychology.netJ jigmedatse@social.openpsychology.net

                        @benroyce@mastodon.social @Npars01@mstdn.social @Tattered@social.vivaldi.net @roblosricos@mastodon.social I was ... "wait what" so looked to see what was going on with the thread above this, and man... I don't have the time to read, but man... Ah well. I guess I'll find out after this what my experience is. Thanks for giving me a hint, that became much more than a hint...

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                        @JigmeDatse @Npars01 @Tattered @roblosricos

                        Fucking tankies

                        Working hard for fascism

                        Pretending they are on the left

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                        • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                          @JigmeDatse @Npars01 @Tattered @roblosricos

                          Fucking tankies

                          Working hard for fascism

                          Pretending they are on the left

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                          @benroyce@mastodon.social @Npars01@mstdn.social @Tattered@social.vivaldi.net @roblosricos@mastodon.social I'll admit, that I sort of felt that you could combine progressivism, and authoritarianism, until I sat down and thought about it ... in part through discussion with Soviet Communists. (and a Chinese Communist, who didn't participate that well). I still go, "why can't we just make them think better..." from time to time. Just you know keep those thoughts largely private (like in person with friends/family sometimes), because while I have them, and sometimes feel the need to express them. Most of that is because if I don't. I don't get that, "Oh right, that just doesn't work does it..."

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                          • jigmedatse@social.openpsychology.netJ jigmedatse@social.openpsychology.net

                            @benroyce@mastodon.social @Npars01@mstdn.social @Tattered@social.vivaldi.net @roblosricos@mastodon.social I'll admit, that I sort of felt that you could combine progressivism, and authoritarianism, until I sat down and thought about it ... in part through discussion with Soviet Communists. (and a Chinese Communist, who didn't participate that well). I still go, "why can't we just make them think better..." from time to time. Just you know keep those thoughts largely private (like in person with friends/family sometimes), because while I have them, and sometimes feel the need to express them. Most of that is because if I don't. I don't get that, "Oh right, that just doesn't work does it..."

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                            @JigmeDatse @Npars01 @Tattered @roblosricos

                            concentration of power in the hands of the few inevitably results in destruction of rights

                            for someone to point at china, which is totalitarian capitalism, as a triumph of socialism, is peak delusional or a straight hard sociopathic lie

                            so anyone putting their faith in authoritarian control for the people's rights is a moron of the highest order, or an icy liar working hard against people's rights

                            the idea is to cure sick democracy. not abandon it

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                            • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                              @JigmeDatse @Npars01 @Tattered @roblosricos

                              concentration of power in the hands of the few inevitably results in destruction of rights

                              for someone to point at china, which is totalitarian capitalism, as a triumph of socialism, is peak delusional or a straight hard sociopathic lie

                              so anyone putting their faith in authoritarian control for the people's rights is a moron of the highest order, or an icy liar working hard against people's rights

                              the idea is to cure sick democracy. not abandon it

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                              @benroyce@mastodon.social @Npars01@mstdn.social @Tattered@social.vivaldi.net @roblosricos@mastodon.social Ah, these folk I was talking to, very much we ended up agreeing that what they saw as "good" and what we could agree was the reality, were not the same thing. This was probably 15-20 years ago, and even then things both in China and Russia were not anything like the promise (hm, nor were they 100 years ago from what I can tell).

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                              • jigmedatse@social.openpsychology.netJ jigmedatse@social.openpsychology.net

                                @benroyce@mastodon.social @Npars01@mstdn.social @Tattered@social.vivaldi.net @roblosricos@mastodon.social Ah, these folk I was talking to, very much we ended up agreeing that what they saw as "good" and what we could agree was the reality, were not the same thing. This was probably 15-20 years ago, and even then things both in China and Russia were not anything like the promise (hm, nor were they 100 years ago from what I can tell).

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                                @JigmeDatse @Npars01 @Tattered @roblosricos

                                china's rise is just abandonment of all of it's communist principles, embracing capitalism, but keeping the authoritarianism. that's a fucking nightmare, fuck all the shilling tankies and their lies about that

                                russia meanwhile is the straight simple tragedy of how rosy ideals are betrayed by sociopaths (ie, stalin)

                                and democracy fucking sucks

                                it's just that, there's no better option. we need to fix it

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                                • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                  "Zelensky says allies asked him to scale back attacks on Russian energy"

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                                  Ukraine's president says partners asked if the attacks could be "reduced" as prices soar due to the Iran war.

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                                  Yeah, fuck that

                                  Fuck any country in Europe still stuck on #oil and #gas

                                  Fuck bigot Americans in giant low fuel economy pickup trucks whining

                                  Fuck you India, Fuck you China

                                  Fuck you all

                                  All countries:

                                  Get the fuck off oil and gas. Period. End of story

                                  Addressing the #climatecrisis and defunding vile regimes is job #1

                                  #Zelensky:

                                  Pulverize #Russia's #energy sector to oblivion

                                  #UkraineWar

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                                  @benroyce If we in Europe don't send troops to fight Russians in Ukraine, the least we can do is to dump those shitty gas guzzling BMW/Mercedes SUVs.

                                  It's such a small inconvenience and it's never been easier.

                                  If European companies are unwilling to do the right thing, I'd rather we go all-in on EVs and solar panels from China than continue funding Russia.

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                                    @mike805 You mention Russia as if anyone here had even the faintest impression that they are part of this discussion.

                                    This is about bombing the shit out of Russia's oil infrastructure, not asking what *they* think about renewables.

                                    @roblosricos @Npars01 @benroyce

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                                    • txtx@mastodon.socialT txtx@mastodon.social

                                      @mike805 You mention Russia as if anyone here had even the faintest impression that they are part of this discussion.

                                      This is about bombing the shit out of Russia's oil infrastructure, not asking what *they* think about renewables.

                                      @roblosricos @Npars01 @benroyce

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                                      @mike805 Let's move to renewables*

                                      * so that Ukraine can continue to bomb Russia to pieces.

                                      There's your 80pt asterisk.

                                      @roblosricos @Npars01 @benroyce

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                                      • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                        "Zelensky says allies asked him to scale back attacks on Russian energy"

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                                        Zelensky says allies asked him to scale back attacks on Russian energy

                                        Ukraine's president says partners asked if the attacks could be "reduced" as prices soar due to the Iran war.

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                                        Yeah, fuck that

                                        Fuck any country in Europe still stuck on #oil and #gas

                                        Fuck bigot Americans in giant low fuel economy pickup trucks whining

                                        Fuck you India, Fuck you China

                                        Fuck you all

                                        All countries:

                                        Get the fuck off oil and gas. Period. End of story

                                        Addressing the #climatecrisis and defunding vile regimes is job #1

                                        #Zelensky:

                                        Pulverize #Russia's #energy sector to oblivion

                                        #UkraineWar

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                                        @benroyce But they never reprimand Russia for blowing up Ukraine's energy infrastructure. That's, apparently, just normal.

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                                          @mike805 @roblosricos @Npars01 @benroyce
                                          The damage to the climate is already expensive.
                                          More so than not burning oil for heat and traction.

                                          Electrochemical nitrogen fixation is in early stages, and feeding the world may require fossil feedstock for a while yet. Alas.

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